Action Balancing/Leverage Quagmire

Farrell mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:52:28 -0400


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Hello Action Balancing Aficionados,

Today I spent a good part of the day with Phil Bondi (who is currently =
dodging thunderstorms along southbound I-75) diagnosing an 1880s S&S =
model A 85-note action that plays like a Mack truck.

Because two heads are better than one, and as we found out, they are =
likely better by an exponential function, we have at least four times as =
many unanswered questions as either one of us could have come up with =
working alone!

We actually did improve one thing right off. The drop screws were turned =
WAY down to make the pathetically hung crap hammers check - sort of. =
They were so far down that the rep levers were being depressed at less =
than half blow. We turned them up and that made quite a difference right =
away. But still, the action was sluggish.

We measured upweight (UW), downweight (DW), key ratio (KR), strike =
weight (SW), wippen weight (WW), knuckle-to-center distance (KC) and =
front weight (FW) on all the Cs and C#s. Our objective is to =
characterize what changes can be made to this action to make for a =
normal to light touchweight. All results discussed herein are in grams =
and millimeters.

We also examined magic lines and did the measurements to calculate =
overall action ration as specified by Ron Overs.

The action had shanks with knuckles 15.7 mm away from the flange center =
pin (is that the right distance Phil?). And it had five leads in the =
bass keys and two in the trebles.

The capstan/wip-heel actually intersected the magic line just after key =
travel started (not too horribly bad). The knuckle/rep-lever interface =
started at a full knuckle below the line and ended with the line about =
half-way across the knuckle at full key depression (pretty bad).

For anyone interested in a painful experience, I will send you my =
spreadsheet with all the data upon request. For those others more =
sensible, but still reading this, I will summarize below:

DW ranged from 49 to 63. UW ranged from 18 to 28, friction (F) ranged =
from 12 to 19.5 balance weight (BW) ranged from 34 to 45.5,=20

What would make the BW so inconsistent?

FWs are from at Stanwood's Front Weight Ceilings to about 4g over, KR is =
.55 for naturals and .53 for sharps, average WW is 16.5, SW ranged from =
heavy-medium in the treble to just into the light zone in the bass, =
action ratio (R) ranged from 6.7 to 7.5 and averaged 7.1.

Clearly, the leverage of this action is horrible - too high. We =
experimented with a 17mm and 16.5mm knuckle-to-centerpin distance =
knuckles/shanks. They seemed to function very well - you could regulate =
the notes quite well (we tried the 17mm on one note and the 16.5 on four =
notes). However, the improved leverage dropped all the DWs to around 41 =
and all the UW to about 16 or 18g.=20

Looking for a bit of input here - this is too light, yes? Too light DW =
and the low UW will produce poor repetition, yes?=20

Friction on the high friction notes dropped to 12 or so and BW dropped =
to 28 to 30. Calculated R goes from and average of 7.1 to 6.2 with the =
16.5mm knuckles - likely down to about 6.0 with the 17mm knuckles.

Using the Overs action ratio method (we did not do actual measurements =
with the 16.5mm knuckles) I estimate that the knuckle change would drop =
the action ratio down from the original average of 6.4 to 5.9

BUT, these keys have a whole bunch of lead in them. We are thinking =
that, at a minimum, this action needs the knuckles placed out at 17mm =
from the flange center pins to improve leverage. Then, that will allow =
one or two leads to be removed from each key - remove enough lead to =
make the DWs in the 50 gram range and the upweights will gain a similar =
amount - around 10 grams or so and end up with about 27g UW.

Ultimately, I think, this piano needs a complete releading (setting =
gradational FWs) new hammers, shanks, knuckles and flanges and =
gradational SWs (on some nice SW curve).

Don't know exactly what the piano owner will be willing to do - =
apparently it is a not-so-well-to-do church. Phil has the action at this =
point to evaluate it.

Anyone care to comment on our thinking here? Neither one of us are =
experienced with this balancing methodology enough to decide exactly =
what to do on our own. And we recognize that maybe we need to do a bunch =
more measuring also. But we have a start.=20

We'll be very interested in input. Thanks.

Terry Farrell
(I wonder if Phil managed to drive the 135 miles home in the time I took =
me to write this email?)   :-(
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