string termination

Carl Meyer cmpiano@comcast.net
Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:10:09 -0700


Thanks, Joe.  Common cents don't keep up with inflation these days.

Yes, I've got lotsa response.

Carl Meyer PTG assoc
Santa Clara, Ca.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr@srvinet.com>
To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: string termination


> Well Carl,
> If you wants common cents <G>
> When I's plucks my bass pulling the string in a up motion on my bass I 
> gets
> a ping sound. If it is pulled to the side, more of a deep full bassey 
> sound.
> But that is probibly not the kind of answer you are after. Also the same
> kind of results of a sort if the string is excited near the bridge, a thin
> sound. And away from the bridge a deeper fuller sound. Your search may 
> raise
> more questions for you.
> Hope you can find your answer.
> Joe Goss RPT
> Mother Goose Tools
> imatunr@srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Carl Meyer" <cmpiano@comcast.net>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:12 PM
> Subject: string termination
>
>
>> A lot of things about string terminations have bugged me for some time.
>>
>> Ron Overs (who I respect) promotes hardening of the capo bar, yet the
>> agraffe is a relatively soft material (brass).  The difference is that 
>> the
>> capo is straight and the agraffe is round.  Wouldn't the agraffe last
> longer
>> if it were heavily plated with chrome, nickel or??  Oh I forgot, piano
> techs
>> love brass, felt and wood.
>>
>> Now under normal circumstances, the piano string is terminated (pivoted)
> on
>> the top surface of the agraffe.  Let's call that North.  Let's call the
>> bottom of the agraffe South.  The other two surfaces would be called east
>> and west.
>>
>> At the bridge, the string is terminated at maybe SSE (south south east).
>>
>> Wapin claims that their vertical bridge pin encourages the string to
> vibrate
>> in the horizontal direction quicker before the energy has been dissipated
> in
>> the vertical mode and hence -longer sustain.
>>
>> Let's make it a given that the impact of the hammer is in a northern
>> direction.
>>
>> Stuart of Australia claims that their bridge termination increases the
>> vertical vibration of the string.   Hmmmm?  How does that effect the
>> sustain????
>>
>> My esteemed colleuge from one of the fly over states suggests that a
> string
>> starts out vibrating vertically, slowly starts to drift horizontally but
>> never gets to true horizontal.  He also suggests that a string tends to
>> vibrate at 90 degrees of its termination.  I want to find out if that is
>> true.
>>
>> I don't really know, but it has been my assumption (maybe in error) that
> the
>> string vibrated vertically, slowly drifts elliptically, approaches
>> horizontal, then elliptically in the other direction and then returns to
>> vertical at a much lower level.  This would then be a cyclical 
>> phenomenon.
>> Sorry for the flurry of five dollar words.
>>
>> I've been thinking of a new bridge termination scheme for rebuilding  but
>> I'm not going to proceed till I answer a basic question.
>>
>> Here's my question:  A vibrating string has two terminations.  It is
> excited
>> in the northern direction.  (Ignore the strike point)  What effect on 
>> tone
>> will be the termination of the two ends of the string????? Both north, 
>> one
>> north and the other south, east or west????   Or no big difference??
>>
>> I have recently found plans on the net to build an led stroboscope.  I
> will
>> build this and look at a string under vibration. I could stretch a wire
>> across my garage and look at it with different terminations.
>>
>> If some of you deep thinkers have an answer to my question that makes
> common
>> sense, I won't have to do this.  Give me your feedback.  Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
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