This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment OK, another voice. Smooth pull rarely works for me and has never worked = for me on a S&S. The only way to stability for me is the jerk method, = coming down from above pitch and <good> test blows. One D I take care = of in a concert setting has plenty of tuning issues--pins bearing on the = plate, popping pins, all our favorites, yet the tunings hold up = beautifully using this technique (knock on wood). Oh, yes, and tuning = stability went way up when I switched to tuning unisons as I go. = Someone suggested a drop of CA for the popping pins. I haven't tried it = yet. Anyone? Barbara Richmond, RPT ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Barnard=20 To: Pianotech=20 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: The Art & Science, was RE: Setting tuning pins Horace (didn't he send everyone west?) was kind enough to send this = only to me, thinking to spare my feelings. But, heck, WHAT feelings? <G> = More to the point, let's get some comment on it; else how shall we learn = ... It does seem to be stable for me and I have assumed it is because I = whack the note good so it settles while I'm there, not after I leave. I = always run through and clean up/double check unisons as a last step = anyway, maybe that helps. Other voices, please. Alan Barnard Salem, Missouri P.S. Besides, there has been far too little controversy on the list = lately. It can get kind of stale after awhile ... cows taste good! = ...reverse crown is okay! ...CA doesn't work! ...false beats are caused = by aliens! ...APSCO people were nicer than Schaff people! EBT tuning is = best! See? Now, THIS is fun, wheeee ... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Horace Greeley=20 To: Alan Barnard Sent: 12/19/2005 7:24:43 PM=20 Subject: Re: The Art & Science, was RE: Setting tuning pins Hi, Alan, I won't post on the list on this, but do feel the need to point out = that this style of tuning is inherently unstable, leaving the various = lengths of the string at varying tensions. It is very reminiscent of = how I originally learned to tune in the 60's; and, while it certainly = made me a good deal of money with home/end user work, I had to very = quickly abandon it when I started doing concert and studio work. In = these latter settings, I really don't care what people say = publicly...the strings really do have to have the tension as equalized = as possible, or some "artist" or other will bang things right out of = tune...often in the opening chords of a recital. The old buzz-phrase = was to "set the pin" as the original thread title notes...that shorthand = really cannot be accomplished (on an S&S anyway), without taking the = string above pitch and then working it back down. I know that this is a minority view, n! ow days...I have tuned for = over 40 years now, spending most of those years tuning more Steinways = than I presently care to remember. Ultimately, all the ones that I have = seen that have been tuned as you describe have been problematic until = the basic tuning is straightened out. If it is working for you and for = your clientele, then I doff my hat...that is quite an achievement! Very best regards. Horace At 05:03 PM 12/19/2005, you wrote: To use the slow pull on the S&S--especially if the pin is = jumpy--it seems to work well to first lower pitch a few cents then = gently, slowly, steadily (while whacking) raise it to slightly, I say = again, slightly over pitch. Then just let it settle (while whacking) = without pushing the pin back, i.e., without using the hammer to "set" = the pin. =20 If your first pull is not high enough or, especially, if you = pulled too high and end up sharp, then you need to push down a few cents = and start over. You get pretty good at hitting it on the mark, after a = bit. =20 Have fun. =20 Alan Barnard Salem, MO ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/15/0b/91/ea/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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