This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment There is a fair amount of discussion on the VT forum about tweaking styles in order to achieve the right tuning for particular pianos. The default style settings have built into them a certain amount of stretch in each octave of the piano based on subjective research about what sounds best. None of the settings show a pure octave on any particular octave of the piano but are expanded or contracted using a particular octave type as a basis. Are you generally tuning on the =93average=94, =93expanded=94 or =93clean=94 setting, or a custom style of your own or = perhaps one of Ron Koval=92s (or mine) who contributed much to the discussion? = A one style fits all (stretch) was something I was working on quite a bit and was not able to find one that worked for everything. Even when I did find a good style fit, sometimes there would be a note or two or three that needed to be modified to keep a smooth sequence of thirds or octaves throughout the piano. I found that the =93average style=94 = tended to stretch the bass more than I liked. I think the VT has a lot of nice options that allow you to custom set everything to your liking. But I was never able to trust it (or any other machine for that matter) enough to tune without listening and checking at least somewhat. In fact, the only complaints I have really gotten about tunings, ironically, were when I did an A0 =96 C88 tuning without any interval checking. I agree that unisons must be tuned by ear. I am a firm believer in the use of machines as a second pair of ears. But I would have to emphasize as a second pair, one=92s own being the first. A combination = aural/electronic tuning doesn=92t take me any longer than 45 min =96 1 hour and I do find them especially useful for setting a perfect and effortless temperament. =20 David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20 -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of antares Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:42 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: working with etd's and the customers' la-di-da =20 On 5-feb-05, at 22:23, David Love wrote: I found that in spite of the Verituner hearing all partials, the decisions it made on some notes (not to mention style selections) periodically needed correction. Even if the machine hears everything, it still must make a decision on where to put the note. To a certain degree, that decision is not made by the machine but by the programmer. The style settings in the VT indicate which coincident partials will be favored and to what degree in deciding how wide to make the octaves. While these styles can be tweaked for different pianos the question will always arise as to whether the style you have chosen is a perfect fit for the piano. While hearing all partials might increase accuracy due to the greater amount of information available, it is not foolproof. The ear must ultimately be the final arbiter.=20 David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20 I do not agree. The VT is so incredibly accurate that it will be extremely difficult to fine a human who can make the very same very precise tuning, and... in 45 minutes. Muchas Gracias EAR friendly greetings from ANDR=C9 OOREBEEK Where 'music' is no harm can be www.concertpianoservice.nl ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/51/a6/5f/97/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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