Using a strip wedge. Was: Moving from Uprights to Grands

[Bob Sutton]

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Michael, are you saying that you and the profession in England are =
correct and the PTG and all of the people who have passed the RPT tests =
are wrong because they use a temperament strip?  I am new to this =
business, but this kind of information is contrary to everything I have =
read in all of the PTG publications.  It is very confusing to say the =
least. =20

Bob Sutton
League City, TX
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  From: Michael Gamble=20
  To: Avery Todd ; pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Using a strip wedge. Was: Moving from Uprights to Grands


  Maybe and maybe not, Avery.. BUT... it does lay credence to the lack =
of tuners coming into the field who can actually tune - however they set =
about it. I believe there's also a faculty of tuning at Newark, UK.
  BTW I tune the unisons "as I go"
  Regards from a sunny early morning on the Downs
  Michael G.(UK)
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    From: Avery Todd=20
    To: Pianotech=20
    Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 12:59 AM
    Subject: Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands


    At 10:22 AM 7/21/05, you wrote:

    Michael, IMO, that has nothing at all to do with the fact that he =
used a temp. strip!=20

    Avery=20


      He used a felt strip and I cringed - yes... cringed.... as he =
poked the felt between the strings to lay the bearings. I am very glad =
ears were invented :-) Incidentally when he got to the top all h*ll =
broke loose. He - had - no - idea... how to get the top strings right - =
and that was after a three year course..... How do those postal courses =
work if there's no-one to monitor your results? I'm baffled. Yes... =
baffled. ;-)
      Regards from a beautiful, hot, sunny day in Sussex where there's a =
"Hosepipe Ban!" now in force. Our reservoirs are running low.
      Michael G.(UK) (baffled)

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        From: Farrell=20

        To: Pianotech=20

        Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:23 PM

        Subject: Re: Moving from Uprights to Grands


        "It has always been looked down upon in the profession here if a =
tuner still has to use a temperament strip..."


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        What kind of an environment is it where other piano technicians =
watch what another piano technician does during a tuning? I don't think =
any tech has ever watched me tune a piano, and only once have I watched =
someone else tune a piano.


         =20
        Oh, maybe another tech saw me tune years ago when I was doing =
some floor tunings at a dealer.


         =20
        Terry Farrell

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          From: Byeway222@aol.com=20


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          The whole business of strip muting for either the temperament =
octave or even into the further reaches of the piano has alway been =
controversial here in UK.  Probably like Michael I was trained very =
traditionally, to discard the strip mute quite early on and rely on =
one's ear for laying the temperament with just two wedges.  It has =
always been looked down upon in the profession here if a tuner still has =
to use a temperament strip, almost suggesting that his/her ear is not =
reliable enough to do without it.  The analogy being a baby's walking =
frame I suppose!   Because  of this early influence I can actually feel =
'ashamed' if I resort to using  a strip or rubber gang mute on a =
difficult piano. Do i need psychoanalysis?  However, I could actually =
argue pretty stongly in favour of using them with very small grands and =
uprights where inharmonicity is so pronounced that setting an acceptable =
temperament can take more than one pass, and using this aid would be =
quicker.  When this topic comes under discussion over here it is =
generally argued that the temperament is not exactly the same when you =
return to complete the unisons and that the whole excercise can be more =
time consuming.

          It would be interesting to know what proportion of tuners is =
'mute free'

          Ric



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