JIV-jumping into voicing

[Joe And Penny Goss]

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Hi Brian,
Only if you want to have hammers that you can pick up with a magnet <O:(
Joe Goss RPT
Mother Goose Tools
imatunr@srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
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  From: Brian Doepke=20
  To: 'Pianotech'=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:06 PM
  Subject: RE: JIV-jumping into voicing


  Thanks for all the input, and even the spin-off discussions.

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  I have found much information on my cd's of 20 years of the PTG =
Journal.  But, another question.when a needle, or group of 3 needles, is =
inserted into the hammer felt, is there any additional moving of the =
needles; like a slight rocking motion or wiggling motion?  Or, is the =
procedure to just insert and pullout on the same trajectory?

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  Brian P. Doepke

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  AAA PianoWorks

  260-432-2043

  260-417-1298


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  From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On =
Behalf Of Erwinspiano@aol.com
  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:48 AM
  To: pianotech@ptg.org
  Subject: Re: JIV-jumping into voicing

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    Ric

    Good answer. I second this & add don't let fear stand in your way =
it's really quite difficult to destroy a set of either kinds of hammers, =
well... unless your just a blithering Dolt .=20

     That said the goal is for an improved tone even if , in your own =
ears, it's not perfect. People/clients who really have ears to hear will =
except any improvement as a pleasure in the right direction. Truth be =
told there are sooo many lousy sounding pianos in the field because no =
one is asking the questions you are or at least not bothering to stab a =
few needles etc to risk for something possibly great!

   How I wish the bad habit of tune & run to the next tuning could be =
remedied.

   It's not real customer service IMHO.

    I think I just changed the topic. Oh My!

    Dale Erwin


    Hi Brian

    The answer to your question is really a lot more involved then what =
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    simple reply from folks here can give you.  Much depends on what =
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    approach you are going to use, and what kind of hammer you have to =
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    with.  For example, the one needle vs three needle question often =
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    down to either what phase of voicing you are in or whether or not =
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    are fine voicing lacquered hammers or not. How deep, where, and when =
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    needle depends on what you are trying to accomplish, and again on =
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    kind of hammer you are dealing with.  A hammer soaked in lacqure =
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    have no real benifit from deep shoulder needling as a general rule, =
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    a hammer that needs needling down requires such treatment.  A full=20
    treatise is a bit beyond a one post answer.  My best advice is to =
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    through the archives and join your local ptg chapter, attend =
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    and find a voicing teacher who can help you get started.  And, as =
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    pointed out...  dont hesitate to try your hand after reading.  In =
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    end voicing is learned by doing more then anything else.

    Cheers
    RicB

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