SAT Scores on Tuning Exam

[Joe And Penny Goss]

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Hi David and Joe,
I think you are arguing C# =3D Db without realizing that your =
perspectives are totally different.
Passing the test at 100% does not mean that you matched the 'Master' =
tuning without any error,
just without any points being deducted. A big difference.=20
And BWT C# and Db are only the same note in piano, keyboard, and other =
fixed instruments such as orchestra bells etc. so that one can not =
adjust the pitch to what the note {is} in relation to the chord being =
played
Joe Goss RPT
Mother Goose Tools
imatunr@srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
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  From: David Ilvedson=20
  To: pianotech@ptg.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:34 AM
  Subject: Re: SAT Scores on Tuning Exam



  Again...you can't pass the PTG tuning test with a SAT III unless you =
can pass the 2 octave temperment area section.  I think Joe, the =
bellicose, thought I was saying anyone could pass the test with a SAT at =
100%, which of course I never said.=20

  David I.




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  From: "Andrew and Rebeca Anderson"=20
  To: Pianotech=20
  Received: 9/13/2005 5:08:25 AM
  Subject: Re: SAT Scores on Tuning Exam


  Joe,
  Have you used a verituner?  I've disagreed with it before and tried =
re-tuning aurally only to discover that it had made the best compromise =
available from the beast in front of me.  It works with the partials of =
each note it tunes as opposed to using only the partials of three =
sampled notes from the piano.  You can choose the degree of stretch you =
want to use. =20

  The tolerances in the portion you can use your ETD on are quite =
generous.  The aural section is tight, but you can't use your ETD there =
anyway and that is the mental muscle you have to develop.  The =
Verituners measured tuning and detune functions are quite useful to =
practice doing temperaments with.

  While I'm no CTE, I have checked it out at my leisure and have been =
quite satisfied with what it does.

  Andrew
  At 11:44 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote:


    So I just checked with Michael Kimbell, our San Francisco CTE and =
tunin=3D
    g examiner and he concurred with my statement.  =20
    David ,
    Then Michael is on Drugs, IMO.=20
    The simple fact remains, that the Test Instrument is tuned Aurally, =
by at least Three tuners, one of which must be a CTE. Since the piano is =
tuned Aurally, there is no way in hell, the SAT will reproduce this! I'm =
sure if you check with Paul Brown, he'll tell you that exams, of record, =
do not bear out this B.S.! As for the claims of Reyburn and =
Verituner...That smatters of the "Diaphramatic Soundboard" B.S. that we =
so blatantly poo poo, on this list almost every day. Sales Hype, IMO.
    Joe Garrett, R.P.T.
    Captain, Tool Police
    Squares R I


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