Hi David, Tom and others David A. puts things about as well as they can be put me thinks. As I've said on a number of occasions, I cant really speak too directly about the NY variant, and David underlines this eloquently. Yet he turns around and describes the NY instrument as rough diamonds. And in doing so the whole discussion takes a turn in another direction which he equally eloquently turns to himself. And I guess this is the kind of thing I personally have been looking for in all this... a positive forward looking tact. It also explains why the question Ron N puts so compellingly seems to contradict the more damning criticisms that are also put forward in the mesh of all this discussion about Steinways NY. And it more then satisfactorilly takes care of my own head scratching about how Steinway could be doing so very very well if the picture was indeed as bleak as it sometimes seems here. Personally, I leave the whole design issue bit out of this. IMHO that has no real place in this discussion. As far as the other (real) pieces of the puzzle... Customer/tech relations and quality control..... The former sounds a bit familiar from European experience. But then most manufactures of just about anything prefer to rely on their own people when following up a problem. The later is interesting from the perspective of why in Europe there are not a lot of dealerships scattered around. There are a few "Steinway Haus" stores run by Steinway directly. The stated purpose is to keep more control over the finished product and not have the problems associated with a 3rd party distributing their instruments. Maybe this is what the US needs to look at... I dunno. In any case... David Andersen ... I did indeed like the sound of your post. Cheers RicB The reality is the entire world knows Steinway by the Hamburg instruments; only the US knows them through the New York pianos; thus, the iconic, legendary rep is in MOST cases deserved, because generally Hamburg Steinways are among the best pianos in the world, and the actions are well-made and well-balanced. The New York instruments' actions are a different story, and you can't know how true this is, European, Asian, or South American techs, because you have little or no personal experience with the New York pianos, or perhaps with a highly tweaked and retrofitted performance instrument. The standard of action ratios and final fabrication tolerances is a different world between Hamburg and New York, and that's the truth. My close colleagues and I have been scratching our heads and yakking---bitching, really---about this disparity for 30 years. The way I choose to frame it now, to myself and others, is this: I don't know why the situation is what it is---I can't personally figure out the value in it---but I accept it as how it is, and perceive new and newish American Steinways as diamonds in the rough---ready to be polished and finished into something beautiful. And they can be; it just takes a little more money and attention. Like AMG and Mercedes: AMG takes the finished product, and then tweaks and finishes it to their standard---performance modification, performance enhancement, souping it up, tweaking it out. Not a deficit, but a possibility. This way of thinking and seeing has helped me to be less of a bitter old gossip, and more of a proactive artisan. My clients like it better, too---a positive spin rather than a negative, without lying to anyone. Half full, not half empty. Now for another half cup of coffee, and to work. Cheers---- David Andersen Malibu, CA
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