William I am not at all sure where you are going with this post. I did not speculate on what Schimmel tried or did not try. I simply stated they used quite a bit of time and effort and drew a very reasonable conclusion that they tried many things. Nor did I try and make out of this fact more then exactly that. That is sticking to the facts as about as close and cold as it gets. So your first two paragraphs here are.... well entirely false. Period. Otherwise... I am open to hearing what exactly I have presented as fact in all this that is indeed not. Please by all means cite the examples. As far as affirming that the position I have taken on the greater issue being discussed is based on belief. That was an exercise in being honest and coldly factual. My beliefs on these things however are indeed based on accumulated factual material. And I do not let my personal prejudices get in the way at all.... because frankly I dont have any. At least not as relates to what <<sounds>> best. As for the longevity of the board RC & S board. You <<accuse>> (I think thats the word I should choose here) me of not sticking to the facts. Well the fact is that this longevity issue is disputed by very many in the world. You go around to conventions, academies, gatherings of all these kinds of sorts and ask every Udo, Steingræber, Klaus Fenner, Suziki, Gouldman, Takahara, Fandrich, Overs or any other designer / builder what they think in general terms about these issues. Your closing statement is any thing but established fact. They are anything but in agreement with one another. I do hope we are keeping all this on the friendly-est of basis's. Dale said it all in a post just a bit back in responding to my own expression of gratitude over the nature of the discussion so far. No point in doing anything else. Cheers RicB Ric, For someone who wants others to be so factual and quantitative about information they present, much of what you present as fact really is not. You speculate on what Schimmel tried. Same with Yamaha. You have no information as to what exactly they did. I think we assume a lot when we suggest that because a company is large and well-funded that they know how to do things the "right" way. I think that is one thing that got this thread started initially re: S&S NY. I like this quote from you, Ric, "But I will be the first to admit my position is belief based when it comes right down to it." I don't think anyone could have said it better. I also think that a good portion of why many independent rebuilders are favoring RC&S boards is longevity of the board and it's intended characteristics. Best, William R. Monroe
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