This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment I prefer Mr. Finley's method for the simple reason that initially you = want to reinforce what it is you want to hear rather than making mistakes and then going back and making corrections. It is always easier to learn it correctly the first time rather than unlearn it and learn it correctly later. Therefore, I would tend to (if you are using the SAT III) = program a tuning sequence into the machine and tune aurally along with it = listening to the intervals and checks as you go. You also might find that you = disagree with the machine in certain sections of the piano especially through the tenor and in the bass below C3 (that's the point at which the machine is preprogrammed to switch from a 4:2 to a 6:3 octave-it's not always the perfect transitional point). Tune 95% along with the machine and then = test yourself now and then going in the same sequence. You will establish a = beat memory more quickly and I think you will progress faster. =20 =20 David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20 -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On = Behalf Of Robert Finley Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:35 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: Re: Using an ETD to hone aural skills =20 I am also learning to tune aurally using a Sanderson Accutner III to = check my accuracy. My piano is a Yamaha 5'3" grand which is well scaled, = although some of the beats are quite weak to hear, and I have noticed a few = false beats too.=20 =20 I also use the same Potter FA temperament (I am doing his correspondence course) and use a similar procedure to what you describe, although I = also tune A440 to a fork by comparing the beat rate of the fork and F3 with = the note A4 and F3.=20 =20 One thing I have done when tuning the temperament is to tune each = interval with the SAT and then listen to the beat rate so I know what it should = sound like, and also do the various test to hear how the beat rate (such as = speed of the major 3rds) gradually increases as you go higher in pitch. I also tune each interval aurally and then check it with the SAT as you do. = Each way has it's benefits.=20 =20 Robert Finley =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: A440 Piano Service <mailto:a440@bresnan.net> =20 To: PTG List <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org> =20 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Using an ETD to hone aural skills =20 =20 Hi people, I'm trying to hone my aural tuning skills and I've come up with a = method...=20 I'd like to hear others' feedback on this particular method, and about = any other kinds of methods you might recommend. =20 Today I had a nice tuning in a quiet house. It was a Yamaha Grand, a C3 in good shape. So I took the opportunity to "keep score" on my aural tuning. I used Potter F-A II. =20 What I did was: 1. Take F-A-C readings and let the SAT calculate a tuning. 2. Set the A4 with the machine. 3. Tune the temperament by ear from there. 4. Compare my note with the machine's calculation. 5. Write down how far off I was (in cents). 6. Re-tune with machine and go to the next note, lather, rinse and repeat. =20 Here's my scorecard: A3: -.1 F3: -.2 F4: +.9 C#4: -.8 D4: dead on! A#3: -2.7, retried: -2.2. Found out D4 (where I was tuning the third from had drifted flat - gotta work on my stability!) =20 F#3: -.5 D#4: dead on! B3: -2.8 (oops!) retry: dead on! G3: +.2 E4: -.4 C4: dead on! G#3: -.8 F#4: -.1 G4: dead on G#4: -.3 =20 So howzzat? Not too bad, I'm thinking. My tendency looks to be that I tend to tune flat (slower beating), but I think I'll need a few more scorecards to make a statistical judgement. And I have to work on the stability thing, too, obviously. I get so caught up in the beat speeds that I lose track of that fundamental skill of setting the string and the pin. =20 Are any of you doing practice things with your ETDs? How do you use = them? ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/5b/ac/96/ac/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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