Hi Mark
I have installed many Renner parts but not as of yet the Tokiwa kit
however I plan to make it my next install choice. I have looked closely at the
parts & have samples. It's good to have more than one choice. Right?
In the past....far past ,Tokiwa parts, as you alluded to, had seizing
pin/parts problems. I spoke with Randy Morton at length this past summer about
my pinning concerns. The short story is that the problem was a procedural one
at Tokiwa which took a while for the Management at Tokiwa to acknowledge.
IN the process of Randy proving the problem to them they built new test
equipment which quickly caused the parts to seize up after about 2 to 3 thousand
repetitions. ummm! well...
After this encounter Randy hired the engineer that literally wrote the
book on Yamaha flange pinning technique and brought him to Tokiwa book and
all, where he employed the tried & true Yamaha materials & techniques & for
many years now.
This was good for me to know. The fastest way to loose money is to use
parts that have problems that can only be solved by our free/expensive labor to
....do over!
Also next time you need more sos tab clearance why not use a cardboard
shim on the rear of the old blocks.
By the way the New Tokiwa wippens for Steinway are a spitting image of the
Renner part provided by the Steinway N.Y factory. I have a set on the
shelf. They are beautiful & I am installing this set soon in a Stwy D. I have
compared them side by side with the Renner parts & you cannot tell the difference
except the Tokiwa parts have a number conveinently located on the repitition
lever.
FWIW
Cheers
Dale
Does anyone out there have recent comparative experience with BOTH the
Renner and Tokiwa damper back-action kits? I've installed several of the Renner
kits, but the quality of the pinning of this last one left a lot to be desired.
As you can see in the photo the post pinning was substantially out of
square. The flange pinning of this particular underlever was also off, but in the
opposite direction, which had the effect of throwing the post even farther out
of alignment. This was probably the worst example in the set, but many
others were off by lesser amounts. I'm thinking that I might try the Tokiwa kit
next time, but I’ve had problems with seizing centers on other Tokiwa parts in
the past, and as a result I am reluctant to use them in general.
Renner has also switched from beech to Delignit for the tray material, so
be careful if you’re drilling for the flange screws using their countersinking
bit – I snapped one of the screws off due to the higher density! Next time I’
ll ream the holes out a few thousandths more. The other lesson that I
learned on this one is to check the horizontal clearance between the backside of
the post and the upstop rail. Since the new style sprung sostenuto tab flanges
extend slightly behind the post they were rubbing on this particular
example, which I corrected by making new pivot blocks with the hole located about
1/32” farther from the belly rail.
- Mark Dierauf
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