ecofriendliness

[William R. Monroe]

Point taken.  Disagree, in that there are likely a number of processes used in mfg, that we as rebuilders use and there could certainly be implications, but, OK, I see your point.

William R. Monroe
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Willem Blees 
  To: pianotech at ptg.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:24 PM
  Subject: Re: ecofriendliness


  As I said, there is a place for this kind of exploration and investigating. I just don't think the PTG, either on this forum, or at seminars, etc. is the place. We are piano technicians, not manufacturers. Now, if Noah finds out that the glues or resins we are using in our day to day operations, for example, are environmentally unfriendly, that is something that has a direct impact on us. But from what he is asking, he wants information about the manufacturing of pianos. 


  Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT
  Piano Tuner/Technician
  Honolulu, HI
  Author of 
  The Business of Piano Tuning
  available from Potter Press
  www.pianotuning.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: William R. Monroe <pianotech at a440piano.net>
  To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
  Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 2:50 pm
  Subject: Re: ecofriendliness


  Respectfully disagree, Wim,

  It is just this kind of thinking that helps identify weak points (environmentally or otherwise) in our business.  Some we can't (or choose not to) do anything about, like, making pianos.  Others, like finding more sustainable products to use, for example, that still give us the musical qualities we desire, may be discovered and implemented to reduce our impact.

  I used to work at the Gibson acoustic guitar factory in Bozeman, MT (before Gibwin) and while I was there we started experimenting with a different, faster growing, less environmentally detrimental farmed tree for the face of the guitar (soundboard).  I forget what we called these models, but, just the same.....it's a valid example.  I'm sure we wouldn't have to look to hard at our industry to find things that not only would be environmentally more friendly, but quite possibly more economical as well.

  William R. Monroe


    Paul

    My point is, if Noah finds out that piano manufacturing is "killing" our planet, will you stop working on pianos? Pianos are our business. If manufatureres stop making pianos, in the long run, it will effect our business. 

    I'm not saying the public should ignore enviromental problems of piano manufacturers, if there are any. But in my opinion, a PTG sponsored seminar or technical institute is not the arena where this should be aired.  

    Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT

    Paul wrote:
    If no one goes to his class he probably won't teach it any more. If lots of people (you obviously excluded) attend and rave about it to their friends, perhaps still more people will mob him and he'll have to write a best-seller. Ya' never know, but with your attitude about the supposed non-problem our planet faces, due in some small part by piano mfrs worldwide, not just the 4 in this narcissistic nation, you'll never find out and my kids will choke to death. 



          Okay. I'm looking for any and all information regarding the environment (preservation of forests, damage to environment from glue, etc.) as it pertains to a piano. I intend to become an expert and then teach a class. Any help? 
                       -Noah Haverkamp Frere


      The question is, why? What will you gain by knowing the damage to the environment, and the depletion of the forests, and all the other "problems" related to the manufacturing of pianos? First of all, there are only 4 piano manufacturing facilities left in this country. The "damage" they are causing is minuscule compared to the other industries. Second, on a world wide basis, again, the impact is virtually non-existence. And last, what impact will the information you learn have on the industry, even if you do create and teach an outstanding class? 

      I'm not saying you shouldn't do the homework, but will it be beneficial to us.

      Wim 



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