ecofriendly

[Noah Haverkamp]

Interesting banter. If the general list feels this is not a good place to discuss these things at this time, so be it. However, I would like to clarify that I am not interested solely in manufacturing. Far from it.  I believe 99 cents makes 99 cents, but one penny makes a dollar. In other words, every piece of info and technique matters. The idea that one's actions are "miniscule" compared to others is antiquated, and untrue. It's only a matter of time before all processes, including our beloved piano technology, changes in ways that benefit the whole world. It is inevitable. Evolution demands it. So I have no doubt there will be a huge place for this in the seminars, and on the list. When? - well - that's what i'm working on. 
 -Noah Haverkamp Frere
 
 
 Point taken.  Disagree, in that  there are likely a number of processes used in mfg, that we as rebuilders use  and there could certainly be implications, but, OK, I see your  point.
   
  William R. Monroe
      ----- Original Message ----- 
     From:    Willem Blees    
     To: pianotech at ptg.org 
     Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:24    PM
     Subject: Re: ecofriendliness
     

  As I said, there is a place for this kind of    exploration and investigating. I just don't think the PTG, either on this    forum, or at seminars, etc. is the place. We are piano technicians, not    manufacturers. Now, if Noah finds out that the glues or resins we are using in    our day to day operations, for example, are environmentally unfriendly, that    is something that has a direct impact on us. But from what he is asking, he    wants information about the manufacturing of pianos. 
 
     Willem (Wim) Blees, RPT
Piano    Tuner/Technician
Honolulu, HI
Author of 
The Business of Piano    Tuning
available from Potter    Press
www.pianotuning.com
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From:    William R. Monroe <pianotech at a440piano.net>
 To: Pianotech List    <pianotech at ptg.org>
 Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 2:50 pm
 Subject: Re:    ecofriendliness
 
        Respectfully disagree,    Wim,
      
     It is just this kind of thinking    that helps identify weak points (environmentally or otherwise) in our    business.  Some we can't (or choose not to) do anything about, like,    making pianos.  Others, like finding more sustainable products to use,    for example, that still give us the musical qualities we desire, may be    discovered and implemented to reduce our impact.
      
     I used to work at the Gibson    acoustic guitar factory in Bozeman, MT (before Gibwin) and while I was there    we started experimenting with a different, faster growing, less    environmentally detrimental farmed tree for the face of the guitar    (soundboard).  I forget what we called these models, but, just the    same.....it's a valid example.  I'm sure we wouldn't have to look to hard    at our industry to find things that not only would be environmentally more    friendly, but quite possibly more economical as well.
      
     William R. Monroe
      
      
          Paul
        
       My point is, if Noah finds out that piano manufacturing is "killing"      our planet, will you stop working on pianos? Pianos are our business.      If manufatureres stop making pianos, in the long run, it will effect our      business. 

I'm not saying the public should ignore enviromental      problems of piano manufacturers, if there are any. But in my      opinion, a PTG sponsored seminar or technical institute is not the      arena where this should be aired.  

Willem (Wim)      Blees, RPT

Paul      wrote:
      If no one goes to      his class he probably won't teach it any more. If lots of people (you      obviously excluded) attend and rave about it to their friends, perhaps still      more people will mob him and he'll have to write a best-seller. Ya' never      know, but with your attitude about the supposed non-problem our planet      faces, due in some small part by piano mfrs worldwide, not just the 4 in      this narcissistic nation, you'll never find out and my kids will choke to      death. 
 
                                                                               
Okay. I'm looking for any and all information            regarding the environment (preservation of forests, damage to            environment from glue, etc.) as it pertains to a piano. I intend to            become an expert and then teach a class. Any help? 
                        -Noah Haverkamp          Frere



 
 The        question is, why? What will you gain by knowing the damage to the        environment, and the depletion of the forests, and all the other        "problems" related to the manufacturing of pianos? First of all, there are        only 4 piano manufacturing facilities left in this country. The "damage"        they are causing is minuscule compared to the other industries. Second, on        a world wide basis, again, the impact is virtually non-existence. And        last, what impact will the information you learn have on the industry,        even if you do create and teach an outstanding class?        
 
 I'm not saying you shouldn't do the homework, but will it be        beneficial to us.
 
 Wim 
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