John, every convention I have ever been to Jurgen has been involved in the trade show. Admittedly I have only been to 4 conventions, but I'm sure Jurgen has been to more than that. I am a proud RPT member of the PTG but I expect Jurgen has been more involved and has given more in the way of money and support to the Guild than I have. He has always been a good fellow to deal with and has aloud me to grope his merchandise as long as I have wanted to at conventions. His business is small and you are not just another set of key easing pliers with him, I can't say that is the same with one of the other supply houses you referenced. I can say that his products are of a higher quality than the big supply house you have mentioned though and they are built to last. They are not as cheap but you get what you pay for. I don't care how much Schaff advertises in the PTJ that don't mean they have the best tools and materials. They have proven that to me time and time again. Another thing that always irks me with them is they act like its a big deal if you call them for a price check on a product, if you don't have your account number they will go through the roof! They are not at the top when it comes to customer service. Some of the products they offer have lessened in quality over the years and it seems like no one in house can answer questions about anything they sell. I will only get products from people who actually have piano technician experience, but that's just me. You are just sharing your opinion and I don't see anything wrong with that, but you shouldn't have call the man or the company a nothing in this business. Everyone is a nothing in any business. It don't matter what you do, you can be replaced. Shawn Brock, RPT ----- Original Message ----- From: pianotek2000 at aol.com To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt My comment could have been better worded. The intent was to point out that Jurgen's outfit contributes nothing to the industry, not that he personally is a nothing. I don't know him. There are people in our industry who genuinely give and those that only take. I've never seen pianoforte company run an ad, sponsor a major class or support the industry. They only try to skim off the efforts of others. Look at the January PTG Journal just delivered. Companies like Yamaha, Schaff, Renner, etc. , all run the big ads in our Journal that support us and help make the PTG possible. Schaff told me that most of their business comes from non PTG members. I'm sure the same is true with Renner, so why do they do that. Renner told me they do it because they believe the PTG represents the best opportuntity to continue raise the level of professionalisim in this trade. I'm only suggesting that Jurgen starts supporting us the way the other companies do and not just use the LIst in lieu of advertising. As far as responding to a question about his products, Mike, that's one of the oldes setups on the List. Jurgen's not the first one to try it. I'm only pointing out the obvious. We're in a shrinking business, and I'm grateful for the companies that continue to invest and grow our business and less tolerant of the companies like Pianoforte who only take. John -----Original Message----- From: Mike Spalding <m ike.spalding1 at verizon.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 9:35 pm Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt Dear John, Personally, I have no objection to Jurgen responding to questions about his products in this manner. I'm bothered more by gratuitous insults such as "you're a nothing". Just my 2 cents. Mike Spalding pianotek2000 at aol.com wrote: > The list shouldn't be used for this kind of blatant commercialization. > Run an ad, Jurgen, and quit using the list to sell your products. > You're a nothing in this industry. > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jurgen Goering <pianoforte at pianofortesupply.com> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:58 pm > Subject: Re: [pianotech] wurzen front punching felt > > Ry Sowers asked about how the Crescendo Punchings are being received. > The short answer is "very well, thank you", judging by the sales > numbers. Admittedly, it is mainly the high end rebuilders who use > this punching almost exclusively. As has been noted, there are cases > where the Crescendos may not be the best option, and of course > personal preference always plays into it as well. > > > The fact that top end companies such as Steingraeber (and others) are > using this felt is an unspoken endorsement. For more user opinions on > Crescendos, see: > > http://www.pianofortesupply.com/cresc.testimonia.html > > > Someone mentioned ironing the conventional green punchings. I have > also heard of using hammer hardener on FR punchings. To suggest this > as an alternative to Crescendo punchings is naive. The Crescendo felt > has a certain firmness and density, but the proprietary felting method > used, which is akin to the famous Wurzen hammer felt, preserves the > natural resilience of the wool fiber. Pressing felt with heat will > destroy the resilience which is needed to cushion the key blow. > > > > > > <smaller>Jurgen Goering > > Piano Forte Supply > > (250) 754-2440 > > info at pianofortesupply.com <mailto:info at pianofortesupply.com> > > http:// www.pianofortesupply.com</smaller <http://www.pianofortesupply.com%3c/smaller>> > > [Image Removed] > <http://webmail.aol.com/40627/aol/en-us/Mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=1.21196988&folder=NewMail&partId=4> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs > for the holidays – FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now > <http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013>! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. 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