I wouldn't send a sub who didn't use and ETD. I don't want some wacko changes done to my concert tuning... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "David Renaud" <drjazzca at yahoo.ca> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 4/4/2009 8:34:41 AM Subject: [pianotech] aural vs edt > I am an active CTE and perhaps can add some thoughts to muse over. >Point form so you can pick what you want to respond to. >1) EDTs are fantastic tools. As an aural tuner for 20 years integrating >EDT use has made me a better tuner. The ability to analyze my unisons >and stability has tightened up my unisions and improved stability. The >ability to analyze what I do aurally has given definition, clarity, >and consistency to choices of stretch. The ability to save my best aural tunings on >concert instruments has been an aid worth a fortune this last >month with bronchitis, on 6am tunings, and on long long days. From an >Aural tuning advocate let be first be very clear on this; the EDTs >we have today are fantastic tools, I approve of their use, they are here >to stay, aural tuners can learn much from EDT analysis. >2) EDT only tuners can also learn much from aural analysis. Any smooth > tuning stretch curve generated from samples as taken by cybertuner, tunelab and >such does not account for each and every string scaling change and accompanying >inharmonicity jump. As small as these jumps may be they remain significant. When >staring from a quality machine tuning and subjecting the tuning to careful aural tests >for smooth progressions of >intervals the machine tuning even on a nice piano like a Yamaha C7 will >move away from the generated curve significantly and jump back with each >string size change. Fine concert tuning requires smoothing out interval progressions >this way. Verituner and perhaps others will listen to individual note inharmonisity and >generate compensation for same. When asked if we can use Verituner to generate a >master tuning I am told it >still takes a few passes to gather enough information for this. The ear >I think must remain the boss, as good as EDTs become careful aural listening will be >the judge by the finest musicians and tuners. >3) If we will not preserve this aural tradition who will? >4) I need subs for my 4 regular concert venues from time to time.... > I can not hire an EDT only tuner. What will they do if it crashes? What will they do >if your battery dies? What will they do > if they run over your kit with your car and kill the EDT(happened to one tech I >know) Tell the artist sorry, no tuning on stage today for the show. > I can not take this risk with my major clients when I send in a sub. Therefore, you >want to grow a business to include concert tuning, the top musicians, and all the >related references, Its less likely >to happen in this city without aural skills. >5) To many times I hear EDT only tuners who brag about "perfect" tunings, >"the same every time" that do not listen and trust the machine get followed up with >complaints. I subcontracted to one for a time and had to quite because of >complaints. No listening was taking place and the some of the follow ups were scary >tunings. >6) My personnel conclusion is integration is way of the future and is best. Aural >tuners can learn from EDTs, EDT tuners can learn from Aural > testing skills. Lets learn the best of both worlds and raise standards > all round. > 2 cents worth for now > Cheers > Dave Renaud > from the Great White North > >5) >this way. > >__________________________________________________________________ >Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot >with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today >or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
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