[pianotech] aural vs edt

[Paul T Williams]

Then don't call me!  I'm far from a wacko and have done over 2,000 concert 
tunings with never a complaint! so there!  :>)

Paul





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I wouldn't send a sub who didn't use and ETD.   I don't want some wacko 
changes done to my concert tuning...

David Ilvedson, RPT
Pacifica, CA  94044

----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "David Renaud" <drjazzca at yahoo.ca>
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Received: 4/4/2009 8:34:41 AM
Subject: [pianotech] aural vs edt



>   I am an active CTE and perhaps can add some thoughts to muse over.
>Point form so you can pick what you want to respond to.

>1) EDTs are fantastic tools. As an aural tuner for 20 years integrating
>EDT use has made me a better tuner. The ability to analyze my unisons
>and stability has tightened up my unisions and improved stability. The 
>ability to analyze what I do aurally has given definition, clarity, 
>and consistency to choices of stretch. The ability to save my best aural 
tunings on 
>concert instruments has been an aid worth a fortune this last 
>month with bronchitis, on 6am tunings, and on long long days. From an
>Aural tuning advocate let be first be very clear on this; the EDTs 
>we have today are fantastic tools, I approve of their use, they are here
>to stay, aural tuners can learn much from EDT analysis.

>2) EDT only tuners can also learn much from aural analysis. Any smooth
>  tuning stretch curve generated from samples as taken by cybertuner, 
tunelab and 
>such does not account for each and every string scaling change and 
accompanying 
>inharmonicity jump. As small as these jumps may be they remain 
significant. When 
>staring from a quality machine tuning and subjecting the tuning to 
careful aural tests 
>for smooth progressions of 
>intervals the machine tuning even on a nice piano like a Yamaha C7 will
>move away from the generated curve significantly and jump back with each
>string size change. Fine concert tuning requires smoothing out interval 
progressions 
>this way. Verituner and perhaps others will listen to individual note 
inharmonisity and 
>generate compensation for same. When asked if we can use Verituner to 
generate a 
>master tuning I am told it 
>still takes a few passes to gather enough information for this. The ear
>I think must remain the boss, as good as EDTs become careful aural 
listening will be 
>the judge by the finest musicians and tuners.

>3) If we will not preserve this aural tradition who will?

>4) I need subs for my 4 regular concert venues from time to time....
>   I can not hire an EDT only tuner. What will they  do if it crashes? 
What will they do 
>if your battery dies? What will they do
> if they run over your kit with your car and kill the EDT(happened to one 
tech I 
>know) Tell the artist sorry, no tuning on stage today for the show. 
> I can not take this risk with my major clients when I send in a sub. 
Therefore, you 
>want to grow a business to include concert tuning, the top musicians, and 
all the 
>related references, Its less likely
>to happen in this city without aural skills.

>5) To many times I hear EDT only tuners who brag about "perfect" tunings, 

>"the same every time" that do not listen and trust the machine get 
followed up with 
>complaints. I subcontracted to one for a time and had to quite because of 

>complaints. No listening was taking place and the some of the follow ups 
were scary 
>tunings. 

>6) My personnel conclusion is integration is way of the future and is 
best.  Aural 
>tuners can learn from EDTs, EDT tuners can learn from Aural 
>   testing skills. Lets learn the best of both worlds and raise standards 

>  all round.

>                                           2 cents worth for now
>                                           Cheers
>                                           Dave Renaud
>                                           from the Great White North


> 
>5)
>this way. 







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