[pianotech] Aural vs. ETD

David Andersen david at davidandersenpianos.com
Sun Apr 5 11:30:05 PDT 2009


William Monroe is now officially channeling David Andersen. Thanks,  
William, for giving my fingers a break.
DA


On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:52 AM, William Monroe wrote:

> Heee, heee,
>
> Boy I hope you guys are zipped up.
>
> David, "don't shoot the messenger"?  Your not the messenger, you're  
> the originator of the opinion and as such, should be shot if that's  
> what is called for.  ;-]
>
> Note the smiley face, please.  Intended to be a funny quip, not  
> suggesting you be shot.
>
> I have no trouble discerning between 440 and 441.  I'm sure most  
> don't.  I'm guessing you're suggesting more along the lines of 440  
> and 440.1hz which is difficult to hear when comparing but not  
> impossible.  When listening to one string at a time, another story.
>
> Guys, get this:  Tuning is listening.  Period.  If you can't listen,  
> you have no way of knowing whether your results are acceptable or  
> not.  Those who lack the ability or skills to hear well enough to  
> tune, shouldn't, unless they are actively developing those skills.   
> Saying someone who can't hear to tune shouldn't be [deterred] from  
> being a tuner is like saying someone who is blind shouldn't be  
> deterred from racing cars.  You need to see to drive a race car, you  
> need to hear to tune pianos.  Listening is the foremost skill  
> necessary to be a tuner.  Now, if you want to be a rebuilder and  
> can't hear to tune, there's nothing that says you cant be the best  
> rebuilder in the world.  Different skill set.
>
> Your ideas on art are somewhat different than mine, BTW.  I've never  
> thought of art as perfect.  Rather, it is either pleasing to me or  
> not.  What pleases me tends to be very different than what pleases  
> others to greater or lesser degrees.  Similarly, no tuning is  
> perfect.  We all consciously make choices as to where we want our  
> pianos.  You stretch more, I stretch less.  Not perfect.   
> Different.  And artistic.  ;-]
>
> William R. Monroe
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Dave Foster <pepsi29 at sbcglobal.net>  
> wrote:
> It is completely impossible to hear aurally the difference between  
> 440 and 441.  Or better yet, 880 and 882.  And that’s what the EDT  
> will check for in the test.  The test isn’t designed to measure “the  
> best tuned piano”.  It’s designed to measure certain criteria that’s  
> the human hear can’t hear without assistance.
>
> I tune with EDT most of the time, not because it’s a better tuned  
> piano, but because after tuning 5 or 6 pianos per day, my brain  
> starts to hurt.  It takes a lot of mental endurance to tune ALL DAY,  
> and using a EDT takes the thinking about the tuning away.  I know  
> the customers I have, and which ones want a better tuning, and I’ll  
> take the time aurally to check my work, whether it’s aligned with  
> the EDT or not.  But I also know my customers that don’t necessarily  
> care about the tuning.  As long as their Pearl River is sitting out  
> in the front window with the sun beating down on it, and everyone in  
> the neighborhood can see it, and little 8-year-old Suzie can do her  
> scales.  It is not worth my mental stability, or a headache, to give  
> this customer a perfect 99% accurate aural concert tuning when in  7  
> days it will be flat or sharp again because of the furnace vent  
> blowing up on the soundboard.  There are certain customers that just  
> don’t seem to care, no matter how much I try to persuade them to  
> treat their beautiful instrument (and I use that term loosely in the  
> PR case) with TLC.  And in this case, and EDT tuning will suffice.
>
> Don’t get me wrong, I tune aurally regularly, when needed.  But I  
> disagree that a technician NEEDS to know how to tune aurally to be  
> considered a Piano Technician.  So people just aren’t born with the  
> natural ability to hear certain things.  That shouldn’t detour them  
> from being a well-respected great Piano Technician.  I know a few  
> Techs in the area that don’t tune well because they can’t hear  
> sharply beats and harmonics, but they have the intellect and respect  
> of the technical end of being a technician, and they are considered  
> one of the best rebuilders in the area.
>
> I use the example from Matt, when he checked the older gentleman’s  
> tuning and it was “all over the place”.  I also knew a guy, in this  
> 80’s, great technician, funny, experienced.  He tuned aurally for 60  
> years and considered his tunings “right on and perfect”, when truth  
> be told.. they weren’t.  But his stubborn nature won’t change his  
> mind, because he had refused to believe his aural tuning had faded.   
> And anyone not willing to listen to the EDT-pro crowd is also  
> stubborn, and some day will refuse to believe their aural tuning  
> will fade.
>
> The art of aurally tuning is not an art at all.  A tuning is either  
> perfect, or less than perfect.  How is that art?  Art is considered  
> perfect in the eye of the beholder.  A piano tuning has to be  
> perfect for everyone to enjoy it, as pianos were meant to be heard.
>
>
> That’s my opinion… don’t shoot the messenger.
>
>
> Dave Foster
>
>
>

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