Treat from top, first, then drive pins ( if enough room ) THEN turm piano upside down, if still loose. I have long 2x6 boards with padding on them, to be able to turn pianos over and still get my fingers under them, later, to turn them right side up, again. ( Important. )
Peace,
Thumpe
P.S. Normal, cheap plastic mask-type safety goggles work well, if you cover the vent holes with tape. Wear a good carbon rwespirator and vinyl disposable gloves ( not latex or nitrile ) because the vinly takes onger to meld, in case of spilage.
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, David Skolnik <davidskolnik at optonline.net> wrote:
> From: David Skolnik <davidskolnik at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] CA glue technique on grand
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 9:48 AM
>
>
> First of all, Dryburgh, at least, is no longer selling the
> odorless, as,
> according to him, it didn't work as well. Second,
> the Odorless was
> just as irritating to those susceptible, however its
> molecular weight was
> heavier, so it tended to sink to the floor, rather than
> waft
> around. Third, fans don't work, unless you have
> both a pull and
> push fan, but even then, if you are not venting the fumes,
> you will just
> recirculate them, and they will get you. A single fan
> just creates
> turbulence around the work area, but does not remove the
> fumes.
> That includes the ODORLESS. John Page (belatedly
> responding to Mike
> Magness's memory) was the one who suggested the vacuum
> with TWO hoses,
> the second exhausting out the window. That is the
> ONLY way I will
> do these projects in the future, as I have had TWO
> respiratory episodes
> (not the skin), the second one after using a cartridge
> respirator and
> fan. I have a beard, which compromises any partial
> face mask, but I
> was hoping.
>
>
> I think that any future discussion of CA techniques on this
> list should
> include a warning/reminder. Some of you may, in fact,
> be immune to
> its effects, or at least think you are, until your bodies
> say
> "enough". After that, even the thought
> of CA will
> generate a reaction! sort of. I admit, the warning on
> a cigarette
> package does little to deter anyone who wants to smoke, but
> it keeps the
> Surgeon General busy...you know - signing all those
> packs.
>
>
>
> Hope you're feeling better Grebe.
>
>
> David Skolnik
>
> Hastings on Hudson, NY
>
>
> At 12:42 AM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
>
> jhjpiano at sbcglobal.net
> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to share a technique which I have use
> twice on grand
> pianos
>
> > and which has worked well. Both pianos had
> wooden plate
> bushings and
>
> > I had poor results treating the blocks with CA
> glue. The pins
> were
>
> > still not tight enough to allow a decent tuning. In
> each case,
> I
>
> > removed the action and lid, turned the piano
> completely upside
> down
>
> > (on a plastic drop cloth just in case) and treated the
> pins from
> the
>
> > bottom side of the block. I filled the tuning
> pin hole up with
> as
>
> > much CA glue as it would hold and I know that it was
> getting to
> the
>
> > tuning pin this way. The next day, after setting
> the piano up
> again,
>
> > the tuning pins held well enough to get a good
> tuning.
>
> >
>
> > A word of caution. You will be laying on the
> ground with you
> head in
>
> > the keybed cavity and the effects of the CA glue fumes
> will be
> greatly
>
> > concentrated, especially in your eyes. I used a
> fan blowing
> directly
>
> > on the area I was treating, but it was still pretty
> bad. I
> think next
>
> > time I will try those special glasses that are made to
> wear
> while
>
> > chopping onions. A respirator would also be
> recommended.
>
> >
>
> > If you have poor results on the first treatment, you
> might like to
> try
>
> > this as well. Let us know what your
> results are.
> After only two
>
> > pianos, I'm not ready to pronounce it a proven
> technique.
>
> > Jim Johnson
>
> >
>
> >
>
> NOT if you buy - odorless - CA glue.
>
>
>
>
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