She sould have had her congressman deal with the cusoms agent. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:59 PM, <pianotech-request at ptg.org> wrote: > Send pianotech mailing list submissions to > pianotech at ptg.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://ptg.org/mailman/listinfo/pianotech > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pianotech-request at ptg.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pianotech-owner at ptg.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of pianotech digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. H1N1 (Bruce Dornfeld) > 2. Re: H1N1 (David Love) > 3. Re: shipping piano overseas with ivory keys > (Duaine & Laura Hechler) > 4. Re: shipping piano overseas with ivory keys (Gerald Groot) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:18:35 -0600 > From: "Bruce Dornfeld" <bdornfeld at earthlink.net> > To: "pianotech" <pianotech at ptg.org> > Subject: [pianotech] H1N1 > Message-ID: <41533D1A04604369B7D7C1C36BFF4B27 at bestbuyPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > David Love says: > > Not exactly. Alcohol based hand sanitizers can be effective against > viruses > depending on the alcohol content and the amount used. While it may not be > as good as vigorous hand washing it is certainly better than nothing and I > wouldn't hesitate to use them. Not using them because they provide a false > security seems counterproductive. All hand sanitizers need to be rubbed in > until the hands are dry. There won't be any fire hazard then. Viruses > actually can live longer on non porous surfaces such as plastic whether > they > are clean or not. They can typically live on your hands up to about an > hour > and under the best of circumstances can live on outside the body for up to > > 48 hours. Lots of reading available on this subject. > > > > Well David, I have to say most experts agree with you on hand sanitizers > and > viruses, H1N1 or others. On the other hand the only scientific studies I > saw referred to were ones sponsored or released by companies making hand > sanitizers. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta says, "There are not a lot of data > actually on how effective those sanitizers are against viruses. There have > been some studies done over the years and the conclusion is washing your > hands with soap and water is still probably the best idea. If you are > having > a busy day and it is hard to get to a sink, then carrying a bottle of hand > sanitizer would be a good idea." > > I should explain my thoughts better. A bottle of sanitizer that has been > sitting around a while or is more empty than full may not have the alcohol > content that is recommended. Even if it is extremely effective though, if > you rub your eyes or nose with your fingers while working on a piano, you > could be infecting yourself. It is not easy to so self aware while working > that you can stop this kind of touching, but that is what I am aiming for. > To put it another way, even if you kill viruses with hand sanitizer before > and after each piano, hands to the face while you are working on a piano > can > still get you. That is why I consider it false security. I think it would > be better for us to kills the viruses on the keys. Here again, you are > correct. The virus can live on a hard surface like plastic for some time, > Cory Key Brite will not kill them. Does anyone use something like Lysol > Disinfectant spray on piano keys? That stuff is supposed to be 99% > effective within thirty seconds. That would really make the keys safe and > school jobs would not be as potentially dangerous. I worry about what it > might do to the keys though. > > > > Bruce Dornfeld, RPT > > bdornfeld at earthlink.net > > North Shore Chapter > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20091104/c837a4e6/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:36:39 -0800 > From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] H1N1 > Message-ID: <007101ca5db8$6dbdc780$49395680$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Washing is better but in a pinch I'd use the hand sanitizer and keep my > hands away from my face anyway. BTW those suggestions about running salt > water through your nose and gargling seems to be a waste of time according > to all the doctors I know. Unless you are lucky enough to do it > immediately > after exposure (and even then) probably useless. Might even be > counterproductive if what you run through your nose actually irritates the > mucous membranes making them more susceptible to infection. > > > > David Love > > www.davidlovepianos.com > > > > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On > Behalf > Of Bruce Dornfeld > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:19 PM > To: pianotech > Subject: [pianotech] H1N1 > > > > David Love says: > > Not exactly. Alcohol based hand sanitizers can be effective against > viruses > depending on the alcohol content and the amount used. While it may not be > as good as vigorous hand washing it is certainly better than nothing and I > wouldn't hesitate to use them. Not using them because they provide a false > security seems counterproductive. All hand sanitizers need to be rubbed in > until the hands are dry. There won't be any fire hazard then. Viruses > actually can live longer on non porous surfaces such as plastic whether > they > are clean or not. They can typically live on your hands up to about an > hour > and under the best of circumstances can live on outside the body for up to > > 48 hours. Lots of reading available on this subject. > > > > Well David, I have to say most experts agree with you on hand sanitizers > and > viruses, H1N1 or others. On the other hand the only scientific studies I > saw referred to were ones sponsored or released by companies making hand > sanitizers. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta says, "There are not a lot of data > actually on how effective those sanitizers are against viruses. There have > been some studies done over the years and the conclusion is washing your > hands with soap and water is still probably the best idea. If you are > having > a busy day and it is hard to get to a sink, then carrying a bottle of hand > sanitizer would be a good idea." > > I should explain my thoughts better. A bottle of sanitizer that has been > sitting around a while or is more empty than full may not have the alcohol > content that is recommended. Even if it is extremely effective though, if > you rub your eyes or nose with your fingers while working on a piano, you > could be infecting yourself. It is not easy to so self aware while working > that you can stop this kind of touching, but that is what I am aiming for. > To put it another way, even if you kill viruses with hand sanitizer before > and after each piano, hands to the face while you are working on a piano > can > still get you. That is why I consider it false security. I think it would > be better for us to kills the viruses on the keys. Here again, you are > correct. The virus can live on a hard surface like plastic for some time, > Cory Key Brite will not kill them. Does anyone use something like Lysol > Disinfectant spray on piano keys? That stuff is supposed to be 99% > effective within thirty seconds. That would really make the keys safe and > school jobs would not be as potentially dangerous. I worry about what it > might do to the keys though. > > > > Bruce Dornfeld, RPT > > bdornfeld at earthlink.net > > North Shore Chapter > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://ptg.org/pipermail/pianotech.php/attachments/20091104/13e112d0/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:49:00 -0600 > From: Duaine & Laura Hechler <dahechler at att.net> > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] shipping piano overseas with ivory keys > Message-ID: <4AF22F0C.3080204 at att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > David Ilvedson wrote: > > What is situation with ivory keys on an old piano going to a new home > > in New Zealand? > > > > David Ilvedson, RPT > > Pacifica, CA 94044 > I am not really sure - today. > > About a year ago, I had a customer that was moving to Canada. The > shipping and the moving companies told them that the ivory would have to > have stripped off. Move the piano then - replace - the ivory keys - NOT > the ones you just stripped off, but replacement ivory keys gotten from > Canada (or in your case New Zealand.) > > I suppose if you had the guts, to pack the stripped off keys in a > luggage bag and take it with you on the plane. (Oops, did I say that - > (I just slapped myself)) > > A real pain in the ass ! > > Thankfully, her piano had the old Ivorine keys. > > Duaine > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler at att.net > www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > -- > Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:59:37 -0500 > From: "Gerald Groot" <tunerboy3 at comcast.net> > To: <pianotech at ptg.org> > Subject: Re: [pianotech] shipping piano overseas with ivory keys > Message-ID: <003901ca5dbb$a1e90170$e5bb0450$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I had a customer many years back, my dad did actually, that shipped her > Bosendorfer overseas someplace with the original ivories on it. One day, > she decided she wanted to come back into America again. Before she was > allowed back in, customs insisted that the ivory be removed. Even though > they were told it was the original ivories, that did not matter to them. > They said, how are we to know it wasn't shipped overseas and then put on? > She wound up having them removed in order to get back here again. Our > Government at its best as usual. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On > Behalf > Of Duaine & Laura Hechler > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:49 PM > To: pianotech at ptg.org > Subject: Re: [pianotech] shipping piano overseas with ivory keys > > David Ilvedson wrote: > > What is situation with ivory keys on an old piano going to a new home > > in New Zealand? > > > > David Ilvedson, RPT > > Pacifica, CA 94044 > I am not really sure - today. > > About a year ago, I had a customer that was moving to Canada. The > shipping and the moving companies told them that the ivory would have to > have stripped off. Move the piano then - replace - the ivory keys - NOT > the ones you just stripped off, but replacement ivory keys gotten from > Canada (or in your case New Zealand.) > > I suppose if you had the guts, to pack the stripped off keys in a > luggage bag and take it with you on the plane. (Oops, did I say that - > (I just slapped myself)) > > A real pain in the ass ! > > Thankfully, her piano had the old Ivorine keys. > > Duaine > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler at att.net > www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > -- > Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years > > > > _____ > > avast! 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