I confess much the same ignorance. Some of the reports are there to make sure everything balances or zeroes out. The kind of stuff that makes bookkeepers and accountants happy, and the IRS happy if they want to come prowling through. Also stuff that I need my accountant or bookkeeper to fix under the hood if it doesn't balance out. When my accountant gets the books for taxes, she also gets about 1/2 inch of paper along with it that my bookkeeper prints out for her. Will -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:47 AM To: pianotech at ptg.org Subject: Re: [pianotech] Quickbooks Payroll Rant I do all of those things with Quickbooks. What I haven't figured out is how to understand the reports it can give. I guess I need to give it to an accountant... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 ----- Original message ---------------------------------------- From: "William Truitt" <surfdog at metrocast.net> To: pianotech at ptg.org Received: 4/27/2010 6:39:55 PM Subject: Re: [pianotech] Quickbooks Payroll Rant >I’m happy you like the program and hope it continues to work well for you. >You should input your expenses as well as your income. I would think it >should be able to do P & L’s and many other reports. Think about >categorizing your income as well as your expenses. You should be able to >set up categories for anything you want to do. You should be able to set >you customizable reports that will allow you to get the data you need at any >time – but you have to input the data. > >One thing I did some time ago was buy computer checks that I could load into >my printer. When paying bills, I would categorize the expenses as I was >writing the checks, saving me a step. > >Will > >From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf >Of Michael Magness >Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:26 PM >To: pianotech at ptg.org >Subject: Re: [pianotech] Quickbooks Payroll Rant > > >On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:46 PM, William Truitt <surfdog at metrocast.net> >wrote: >I’ve been using Quickbooks since I incorporated my business in 1995 and >hired employees. At one time, I had 3 employees and used a payroll service >for payroll and taxes. That worked well for me when I had employees, but >was too expensive to justify when I downsized and had only one employee – >myself. So I went to payroll software, in this case Quickbooks Payroll >because it integrated with Quickbooks and was the only game in town. > >I started out with Quickbooks Enhanced Payroll, which does your payroll and >also will (in theory) input the data into the 941’s for your quarterlies, >and the 940 at the end of the year. I was never able to get the program to >properly reflect the figures from the payroll in the quarterly reports. My >bookkeeper ended up gathering the numbers and filling out the forms >manually. Some of the problems were due to me not always inputting the data >into the program properly. But making corrections in the program that could >then result in accurate quarterly reports proved to be a puzzle we were >never able to solve. The online help was all but useless and certainly >incomplete. There was and still is no written manual for the program >available, either from Intuit or licensed third parties, although there are >plenty of both for Quickbooks itself. That fact is astonishing when you >consider that over a million people use the Payroll program. That seems >like a deliberate strategy, designed to get you to sign up for paid monthly >support, or give up and use their payroll service, also for a monthly fee. >Which is to say that the program is deliberately half crippled so that they >can extract money from you elsewhere. > >After a couple of years I gave up on Enhanced Payroll and went to Basic. >The only difference between the 2 is that Basic does not populate the >Quarterly and Yearly forms, which I could never get it to do anyway. Basic >Payroll went up from $100 a year to $130 a year this past January. I found >that irritating, because nothing about the program has changed in the 5 >years I have been using it, except the tax tables. I could not see what >justified a 30% increase. I have continued to have problems with the >program. Today my bookkeeper Pat was showing me where, in this quarter for >each payroll I did, there’s a place in a report where everything is supposed >to zero out (happy time), but did not (unhappy time, you have to chase down >an error). But she checked my data input, which was correct for all of my >payrolls, so QB Payroll is not posting it properly. As usual, my trusty >accountant fixes things at the end of year. > >By the way QB Payroll Basic costs $130 a year, and Enhanced Payroll costs >$250 a year. For that extra $120, it will fill out the 941’s and some other >forms for you. That’s the only difference. Those you still have to >download from the IRS to populate. Enhanced Payroll allows you to do >payroll for up to only 3 employees. More than that, and they want $350 a >year. My guess is that the only difference between the 2 is the stop switch >they put in Enhanced Payroll so you can’t do more than 3 employees and the >cost > >You’re probably beginning to notice a pattern here. Periodically (about >every 3 years) they force you to upgrade Quickbooks to the newest version. >If you want to continue to use the Payroll Software, you have to upgrade. >They have always done this on the calendar year end when you renew your >subscription. Not this time. A month ago I got a notice from Intuit >telling me that my payroll subscription would be canceled as of May 31 if I >did not upgrade to Quickbooks Pro 2010 from QB Pro 2007 before then (for >another $200.00) What is particularly odd about their timing is that my >subscription is prepaid for the entire calendar year until 12/31/10, leaving >7 months yet to do. Oh yeh, they’ll refund you the balance I can think >of no good motive on their part for them to do this at this time. They so >conveniently make it hard for you, as you are not switching software at the >end of the year or even at the end of the quarter. It’s a bad economy and >they want to extort some money from their captive installed customer base >whom they figure won’t see many other good options and just grumble and pay. > >All that is bad enough, except that my Compaq computer at the shop is 5 ½ >years old and not powerful enough to run Quickbooks Pro 2010, which means I >will have to spend $500 to $1000 to buy a new computer so that I can allow >Intuit to rip me off. But I have a couple of programs on that computer from >little guy piano software developers which won’t run on anything past XP, >and aren’t likely to be upgraded to Windows 7 anytime soon, or at all. Or I >could spend another $200 and get Windows 7 Professional that will may or >may not run these XP programs. And oh, did I mention that quite a few >people are having problems getting QB Pro 2010 to install on Windows 7? > >Overwhelmed with disgust, I started to search for other options for payroll. >I usually don’t replace my computer until it dies or starts getting >psychotic. I want to keep Old Paint plugging along for now. > >I am happy to report that I have found what appears to be a very attractive >alternative, dear reader. There’s a program called Payroll Mate 2010 >available for $99 per year subscription. I downloaded a free trial, and >it’s a peppy little program that does payroll and nothing else. It is very >logically laid out and simple because all it does is payroll. It will print >paychecks, run payroll, do any reports you would need. The 940’s and 941’s >and other forms you need are part of the program. The program will populate >the forms, which are in the program already. It looks to be a very nice >program that will meet my payroll needs and those of most small businesses. > >They are writing an export to Quickbooks feature, but I don’t know when that >will be ready. They already have a Quicken.qif export feature I will have >to make Journal entries into Quickbooks so that it reflects my payroll. But >I pay myself biweekly, so I am only going to do that 26 times a year, and >there’s not that much to do. > >The proof is in the pudding, but I can’t wait to get away from Quickbooks >Payroll. It’s a WCPOS. I’ll use Quickbooks Pro 2007 until I don’t have a >machine that will run it, or my accountant won’t allow me. > >I recognize that what I have shared won’t apply to most of you sole >proprietor readers, but there are some of us out there who do payrolls, and >this is aimed at them. For anyone who wants to look, you can find Payroll >Mate 2010 at realtaxtools.com <http://realtaxtools.com/> for anyone who >wants to have a gander. > >Will Truitt > > >Hi Will, > >I'm responding not directly to your post but rather to the later posts >regarding quickbooks. >I listened to all of those who said quickbooks was no good anymore, it had >been ruined by the upgrades, etc. I went looking for something else and >ended up with Peachtree, anybody want it?????!!!!!!! >I am not great with computers but I've usually been able to muddle/find my >way through most of the programs that came my way, not this one! I have at >least 20+ hours in just trying to design an invoice, I finally got something >resembling what I wanted except it won't add in the sales tax. THAT'S THE >MAIN REASON i BOUGHT IT!!!!! >A month ago I gave up and downloaded the free version of Quickbooks Simple >Start 2010, I had my invoice's ready to go in a half hour INCLUDING TAX!!! >The free version only allows 20 customers you then must upgrade to either >the paid version of Simple start or Pro or Premium. >I just bought Simple start, it won't give me reports on well my year is >doing but I've been able to figure that out for myself for 40+ years, I >doubt I'll forget how now. >For me it's simple enough to keep track of my sales tax, income and perhaps >I'll add in my expenses if I feel like it but I don't have to for it to >accomplish what I bought it for. > >Mike >-- > >It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without >accepting it. > > Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC) >Michael Magness >Magness Piano Service >608-786-4404 >www.IFixPianos.com >email mike at ifixpianos.com
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