[pianotech] Spilled wine

Joe Wiencek joespiano at gmail.com
Thu Jun 24 19:54:00 MDT 2010


Thank you David and Marcel.  I will try out your suggestions.
Joe
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>   6. Re: OT - Pool (PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com)
>   7. Re: SAP in Poland (John Ross)
>   8. Re: SAP in Poland (Andrew Anderson)
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>  10. Estonia finish (Ruth Phillips)
>  11. Re: Spilled wine (David Love)
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:54:56 -0500
> From: Paul T Williams <pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: [pianotech] Newsletters OT sort of...
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> Hi guys and gals,
>
> Just curious as to what all your chapters call their monthly  
> newsletters?
> Ours is "The Action" and my old chapter in Seattle was "The Tuner's  
> Beat".
> I was daydreaming up possible names while pushing some pianos around  
> this
> morning here at school.
>
> Enjoy the day.
> Paul
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:36:17 -0500
> From: paul bruesch <paul at bruesch.net>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Newsletters OT sort of...
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> Paul,
> Twin Cities has "Soundboard Buttons"
> Paul
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Paul T Williams <
> pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys and gals,
>>
>> Just curious as to what all your chapters call their monthly  
>> newsletters?
>> Ours is "The Action" and my old chapter in Seattle was "The Tuner's  
>> Beat".
>> I was daydreaming up possible names while pushing some pianos  
>> around this
>> morning here at school.
>>
>> Enjoy the day.
>> Paul
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:12:20 -0400
> From: Marcel Carey <mcpianos at hotmail.com>
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Spilled wine
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> I've had to cleanup this kind of mess a few years ago. I removed the  
> strings and used alcool or acetone to remove the stains. You might  
> as well remove the bridge pins and re-install them with ca or epoxy.  
> I suspect the string contact with the pins must have some kind of  
> sugar left behind.
>
>
> Marcel Carey,
>
> Sherbrooke, QC
>
>> From: joespiano at gmail.com
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:30:20 -0400
>> Subject: [pianotech] Spilled wine
>>
>> Dear list,
>> I service a Bechstein B, housed in the Consulate General of Germany
>> residence in New York City that has a wine stain on the treble  
>> bridge,
>> where John Negroponte spilled his drink a few years ago.  Of course,
>> it looks bad, but the tone is poorer now for this libation.  It is a
>> bare wood bridge cap.  I am hoping someone out there might have an
>> idea as to how to treat the cleaning.  My concern is that the shape  
>> of
>> the bridge cap will change or be negatively affected by the cleaning
>> process.  I am not sure which is an appropriate method- removing with
>> some sort of solution, or sanding, or both?
>>
>> Any ideas that might help restore our image in the eyes of German
>> public?
>>
>> Joe Wiencek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:18:12 EDT
> From: PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Desperate measures!!!
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> In a message dated 6/24/2010 7:33:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com writes:
>
> Hey  Alan......  I agree with the responses so far. That being said,  
> I've
> used  Protek CLP with surprising results. Before everyone jumps on  
> me, I am
> making  no claims that lube is a good solution, but only that I've  
> had it
> work for a  few years at least a couple of times. If I were to try  
> it, I would
> give the  owner a long lecture reciting all that's been pointed out.  
> I'd
> tell them that  Protek has less than a 50/50 chance that it will  
> work even for
> a short period.  But the one thing good about it is that it is fast  
> and
> cheap - and MAYBE it  will make the thing work for SOME period of  
> time.
>
>
> Terry Farrell
>
>
> Second this.
>
> Paul
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:20:12 EDT
> From: PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Newsletters OT sort of...
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> Here in Chicago, the Chicago Chapter (not the Nawth Shaw chapter,   
> please)
> newsletter is  called the Wippenpost.
>
> Paul
>
>
> In a message dated 6/24/2010 9:55:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu writes:
>
> Hi guys and gals,
>
> Just curious as to what all your chapters call their monthly   
> newsletters?
> Ours is "The Action" and my old chapter in Seattle was "The  Tuner's  
> Beat".
> I was daydreaming up possible names while pushing some  pianos  
> around this
> morning here at school.
>
> Enjoy the day.
> Paul
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:21:59 EDT
> From: PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] OT - Pool
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> In a message dated 6/24/2010 7:06:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com writes:
>
> No, but  if you like you can borrow the plastic wading pool my black  
> lab
> uses
> to  cool off so long as you don't mind  algae.
> Rob
> And dog hair in your bathing suit. :-)
>
> P
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:34:59 -0600
> From: John Ross <jrpiano at eastlink.ca>
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] SAP in Poland
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:43:21 -0500
> From: Andrew Anderson <anrebe at gmail.com>
> To: jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca, pianotech at ptg.org
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] SAP in Poland
> Message-ID: <FEFBC551-ECC8-4CEB-B0A4-2D8A5D81388E at gmail.com>
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> If you are interested in selling Steinways to Poland or buying rebuilt
> European pianos from Poland you might want to contact Vienna
> International in Washington state as they do business with and for
> these people.  I've seen the work on a Bosendorfer and on a Steinway.
> Typical "cost-effective" renewal of pianos such as you might get from
> SAMA.  Of-course they get more European makes to work on.
>
> The pianos I tuned for a road-show were in good regulation and
> decently refinished.  Not the same as brand-new pianos from those
> makers but for the price, real contenders.
>
> Andrew Anderson
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 11:34 AM, John Ross wrote:
>
>>
>> Why would you even care?
>> I don't imagine that anyone would even consider doing business with
>> them.
>> Transportation costs, customs, just a couple of things that come to
>> mind.
>> John Ross.
>> P.S. 100F, and it is just 0930 in Nevada. But it is a dry heat. LOL
>> On 06/23/10, Terry Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>> No, I haven't received a letter from them. Why would you not think
>>> it is real, and why would you think it might be a scam - what sort
>>> of scam? I presume there are people who play piano in Poland -
>>> perhaps even people who service and rebuild them.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Wasn't there a guy who used to play piano - Chopin?
>>>
>>> Terry Farrell
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Bruce Gibson Piano Technician wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have any of you received a promotion letter from SAP in Poland?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this for real, or is this some sort of scam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>> Saskatoon, CANADA
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> John Ross
>> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:02:01 -0500
> From: "Mike Kurta" <mkurta1 at comcast.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Newsletters OT sort of...
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>    N. Michigan's newsletter is "Capstans Courageous"  Chicago's is  
> The Wippenpost,  N. Shore's is The Partial Post, Syracuse's is The  
> Pitch.
>    Mike Kurta
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:53:11 -0400
> From: "Ruth Phillips" <ruth at alliedpiano.com>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: [pianotech] Estonia finish
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>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 07:14:41 -0500
>> From: "Mike Kurta" <mkurta1 at comcast.net>
>
>
>>  From the polyester finishing classes from Ruth Phillips:  File off a
> bit
> of the finish from a hidden spot.  If the filings are clear and  
> transparent,
>
> it is poly.  If they are colored and match the color of the piano it  
> is not.
>
> FWIW
>    Mike Kurta
>
> Mike, list,
> This is how rumors get started!
> What we do is check for finishes that will dissolve vs. those that  
> don't,
> with an acetone test in a hidden spot.
> If the finish doesn't react, it isn't lacquer.
> Then we sand the same tiny spot with 1000 grit.  White sanding dust  
> is from
> polyester.
> Incidentally, there is a non-rubbed polyester satin finish used on  
> many
> ebony
> pianos now, including Estonia.  We matched this in Germany and have  
> it in an
> aerosol.
>
> On my way to LV today!  Hope to see you in class.
> Safe travels everyone,
> Ruth
>
> ruth at alliedpiano.com
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:57:02 -0700
> From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Spilled wine
> Message-ID: <000001cb13c6$a67c56d0$f3750470$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The liquid spilled on the bridge may also have expanded the wood  
> around the
> bridge pin and changed the bridge pin/bridge top notch edge  
> interface.  If
> you are going to remove the pins you might want to consider  
> recutting the
> notch on the speaking side.
>
>
>
> David Love
>
> www.davidlovepianos.com
>
>
>
> From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org]  
> On Behalf
> Of Marcel Carey
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:12 AM
> To: Pianotech List
> Subject: Re: [pianotech] Spilled wine
>
>
>
> I've had to cleanup this kind of mess a few years ago. I removed the  
> strings
> and used alcool or acetone to remove the stains. You might as well  
> remove
> the bridge pins and re-install them with ca or epoxy. I suspect the  
> string
> contact with the pins must have some kind of sugar left behind.
>
>
> Marcel Carey,
>
> Sherbrooke, QC
>
>> From: joespiano at gmail.com
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:30:20 -0400
>> Subject: [pianotech] Spilled wine
>>
>> Dear list,
>> I service a Bechstein B, housed in the Consulate General of Germany
>> residence in New York City that has a wine stain on the treble  
>> bridge,
>> where John Negroponte spilled his drink a few years ago. Of course,
>> it looks bad, but the tone is poorer now for this libation. It is a
>> bare wood bridge cap. I am hoping someone out there might have an
>> idea as to how to treat the cleaning. My concern is that the shape of
>> the bridge cap will change or be negatively affected by the cleaning
>> process. I am not sure which is an appropriate method- removing with
>> some sort of solution, or sanding, or both?
>>
>> Any ideas that might help restore our image in the eyes of German
>> public?
>>
>> Joe Wiencek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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