[pianotech] [Pianotek] the big discussion

David Love davidlovepianos at comcast.net
Tue Feb 1 01:04:28 MST 2011


Well you've extracted various sentences somewhat out of context and managed
to comment on them but generally missed the point.  I mention the tuning
test only because it is the standard by which aural tuning is objectively
measured at present.  The data suggests that most aural tuners taking the
test pass somewhere in the 85% range.  There's no reason to believe that the
aural tuners out in the real world (some who have not passed the test) on
average achieve a much higher and most likely a somewhat lower level than
that.  I would contend that ETD users, if they can control their tools (a
question mark for aural tuners as well), very likely hit the ETD provided
targets at a higher rate than aural tuners both calculate and hit theirs
since there is much less subjectivity and judgment involved.  Since the ETDs
are based on algorithms as sampled by what the programmers consider to be
the styles used or targeted by the top aural tuners, why would you think
that an aural tuning that tends to achieve its goal to a lesser degree would
on average provide a more musical tuning?  Is it because it's unique and
individual?  Well I've heard plenty of those that were not what I would
consider musical, though perhaps they were unique.  Even if the standard etd
tuning requires minor tweaks, in my experience (having actually done it both
ways), those tweaks tend to be relatively minor on most pianos and left
untweaked would not likely lower the "score" significantly were it to be
judged by an objective panel.  

Your suggestions that etd users are more disconnected from the instrument
has no basis other than your own speculation based on your one sided
experience (and one observation, I suppose).  While the connection may take
some different form by virtue of the difference in procedures or sequences,
there is no real evidence to suggest that one necessarily provides a greater
connection than another.  More likely some aural tuners are connected and
some aren't, simply going through a rote exercise without really paying
attention.  I know aural tuners (and highly respected ones) who after tuning
the temperament simply tune down with octaves and up with octaves, dropping
in an occasional fourth or fifth to check.  That's less than I check aurally
even with the most basic etd tuning.  Yet the same undoubtedly holds true of
etd users who tune straight up from A0 to C88 and never look back or even
around.  So neither group can really lay claim to connectedness.  It's
meaningless conjecture especially as it relates to any one individual.
Moreover, connection to the instrument from the process can come in many
different ways and at different times.  My own style of etd tuning (like
many others who tune similarly) has me involved both during and after with
various checks.  The process is demanding but less than pure aural tuning
and is such that even at the end of a long day, when I want to hear how the
piano sounds producing real music, I play it.  What greater connection is
there than that.  

Each person who decides to do this for a living needs to be honest with
themselves about their abilities and the requirements under which they work
and choose the method that works best for them--it seems we probably would
agree on that.  I would say, however, that they should neither be
intimidated by those who suggest that tuning with an etd is somehow *less*
or hesitate to ply their trade for money (as you strongly suggested) until
they achieve what you deem to be a proficient level of aural tuning.  

I think I've exhausted my input on this subject (I'm sure the natives are
thankful).  Please, have the last word if you wish.   


David Love
www.davidlovepianos.com





From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Susan Kline
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:20 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] [Pianotek] the big discussion


Strange that you thought it an insult....

(snip)




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