[pianotech] Thanks and further comments

[Avery Todd]

Thanks, Israel. That hadn't occurred to me. I previously used a SAT III and
now a Verituner. I'm not positive but I don't "think" either of those do
something like that. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Besides, if an instrument is THAT flat, I usually just pull it up to pitch
the first time over anyway. THEN use the pitch raise function. That way I
get a feel for string breakage, pin tightness, etc. If they start breaking
early, I back off. I even did it basically that way for 20+ yrs. of aural
tuning.

Avery

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Israel Stein <custos3 at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> >Feb 02/03/11 1:55 PM Avery Todd wrote:
>
> >Even though I use an ETD some, using the pitch raise function ONLY with an
> ETD on a 300 cent
> >pitch raise, I'd be a little nervous about the amount of overpull.
> Depending on the age and condition
> >of the piano. Maybe it's just me, though.
>
> Avery
>
> I don't know which ETD you use, but on the Cybertuner, there is a ceiling
> on overpulls - when you reach that ceiling, the "overpull percentage"
> indicator changes colors, to tell you that the overpull is not enough to
> compensate for the amount of pitch raise but that it is an arbitrary
> ceiling, to prevent string breakage.
>
>  There are three pitch raise ranges on the Cybertuner - small (up to 60 c)
> medium (60-100 c) and large (100 c +). When the "large" is selected, the
> program doesn't even attempt to get you close to the target pitch - as that
> could in many cases cause an overpull beyond the string's break point. All
> it does is get you to where you could use one of the other pitch raise
> functions effectively, to get close to the target pitch on a second pass. So
> all this talk about 300 cent one-pass pitch raises with a Cybertuner is just
> an indicator of incorrect Cybertuner usage, with predictably poor results.
> Someone aspiring to "respect as a professional" on the basis of skills
> totally dependent on technology he or she "trusts" should at least know its
> limitations and its proper use, as recommended by the
> inventor/distributor...
>
> Israel Stein
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Mr. Mac's <tune-repair at allegiance.tv>wrote:
>
> On Feb 3, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Duaine Hechler wrote:
>
> > With that kind of pitch raise, I would tell the customer that I would
> > have to come back in 2-3 weeks do do another tuning.
> >
> > Some actually have me come back - and - others don't care and are
> > satisfied with the way it sounds. These are probably the ones that have
> > it tuned every 10-20 years.
> >
> > 99% of the time, it is all up to the customers "money belt". Are they
> > willing to pay for a "follow up" tuning.
>
> Duaine,
>
> You are starting to change your tune, but that's okay.
>   because the tune you are advocating here
>   falls more in line with what generally is experienced as what is.
>
> Keith
>
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