[pianotech] Octaves & Unions

Horace Greeley hgreeley at sonic.net
Sun Feb 13 01:12:07 MST 2011


Hi, David,

Hmmm...as long as you and I have been at this, and as hard as we've 
worked, we'll be lucky to live to be 90...let alone still be "tuning" then.

Best.

Horace



At 07:00 PM 2/12/2011, you wrote:
>Wow---I maintained that piano, I believe, for three or four years 
>sometime in the last decade (2003-2007?) Then they changed the 
>management regime, lost the high-end paradigm, consistently banged 
>on me to lower my price and "besides, why do you have to mess with 
>the piano so much?"
>
>Thus, the el cheapo "elderly famous studio tuner," who is literally 
>90 years old and refuses to give up, providing very good tunings 
>ONLY---nothing else, EVER---for about half of what I charge. The 
>only reason that Bosie isn't as torn up as the other studio pianos 
>the "senior tuner" "maintains" is because the studio is kind of 
>out-of-the-way and has a reputation as an expensive and boutique 
>place---the piano gets softer, less frequent use.
>
>That's a great piano; one of the best 225s I ever put my hands 
>on...I'm glad you got a chance to give it some love, Alan....
>DA
>
>
>
>On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:22 AM, Alan Eder wrote:
>
>>And now back to octaves and unisons (although I have nothing 
>>against unions, especially the good kind!).
>>
>>I was asked to tune for a recording session in a very high end 
>>studio here in the Los Angeles area.  Bosendorfer 225, nice 
>>piano.  The pianist featured in the recording selected the studio 
>>for its general state-of-the-art-edness, and particularly for the 
>>high-end (treble) of the piano.  The piece she was recording, with 
>>string quartet, was quite subtle--slow, quiet, much space between 
>>the attacks of notes.  She hired this studio on the condition that 
>>she could bring in her own audio engineer and piano technician.
>>
>>I established in advance what the pitch should be, in conjunction 
>>with the manager of the studio (and running it by the string 
>>players).  440 is where he said they maintain their Bosie, and the 
>>strings were fine with that.  I was to have 90 minutes with the 
>>piano (tune & some voicing as per the pianist's request), then the 
>>session would commence.  (It went the full 7 1/2 hours available to 
>>them.)  I was not engaged to stand-by or be on call, so leaving a 
>>stable tuning was the foremost consideration in my mind.  When I 
>>arrived, I found the unisons and octaves sounding not too 
>>shabby.  In a situation like this, however, close does NOT count, 
>>and "good enough" is not good enough.  The pitch was generally 
>>between 440 and 441, so I made the executive/battlefield decision 
>>to depart from our agreement and set my SAT II at 440.5 (because it 
>>would require the least pitch change overall).  That did not turn 
>>out to be a problem for anyone.
>>
>>As I went through the scale, I noticed that some notes were further 
>>off than others.  B4 was a bit sharper than it's neighbors, for 
>>example.  B5, even more so, and B6 about 13 cents sharper than the 
>>other pitches in that area.  (For those amongst us who do not use 
>>gizmos and may not be familiar with the parlance, 13 cents is a 
>>substantial deviation when surrounding pitches are much closer to a 
>>given curve.)  Knowing that the quality of chords (expected to be 
>>in equal temperament) in the high end was crucial to this piece, 
>>those "B"s (and certain other pitches, to a lesser degree) HAD to 
>>be reigned in.  And they had to be stable enough to last all day 
>>with me 30 miles away.
>>
>>Like the man said, "Mission accomplished!"
>>
>>As I headed out of the studio, the manager approached me, noted he 
>>hadn't seen me there before and asked why I needed, "So much time 
>>with the piano."  I gave a brief accounting of myself and inquired 
>>as to who normally services this instrument.  A well-known and 
>>highly-thought-of tech here in L. A. who specializes in studio 
>>work.  "Tunes by ear."  I know this individual and attested to the 
>>fact that he is one of the best available.
>>
>>As I drove away, I couldn't escape the thought (we do a lot of 
>>thinking behind the wheel of our cars here in "Hell A.") that this 
>>piano probably gets those touch-ups by ear alone, which Israel has 
>>described so well previously in this thread, as a regular diet, not 
>>just while recording the same piece, but from session to 
>>session.  It must have been a while since it was last thoroughly 
>>tuned, from scratch.
>>
>>So this was a situation distinct from that of touching up the 
>>tuning while a session is in progress.  However, it is related in 
>>that touch-ups seemed to be the order of the day at this $175/hr 
>>studio (what, in order to save money--go figure?).  Given that it 
>>is such a high-end operation, the reasoning behind that eludes me.
>>
>>Should I have changed the thread to, "When touch-ups become tunings"?
>>
>>FWIW,
>>
>>Alan Eder
>>



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