[pianotech] Counts .......

Duaine Hechler dahechler at att.net
Sun Jan 30 01:07:33 MST 2011


On 01/30/2011 01:14 AM, Susan Kline wrote:

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>> 3) if both can produce very good tunings, then in light of the
>> highest tuning importance being a) stability, then b) unisons, then
>> c) octaves, then d) temperament... it would seem that it should be an
>> individual's choice as to whether one could or should be an Aural vs
>> ETD tuner, since stability & unisons are determined by the
>> Technician's competence, rather than an argument of the ETD vs the
>> 4:2 stretch.
> Of course it's an individual's choice, assuming they can produce good
> results
>
DAMN RIGHT - and all I want is respect for me and for all the other ETD
users out there !!!!!
>>  
>> 4) if one could pass the RPT Tuning test w/ an ETD (and at least
>> understand the concepts & why's of beats & 4:2's etc), then why
>> doesn't the PTG allow a 100% ETD test?
> You can ask the people who set up the tests. But, like I said above,
> the power to use an ETD at 100% test level on a good grand in a test
> situation may not guarantee adequate use of one in less than ideal
> conditions. Even so, it's up to the Guild. Perhaps the aural tuning
> part is a way to test the level of dedication to the profession? That
> someone is willing to put in the training time to be competent in
> traditional tuning? You can ask them. Perhaps there is still some
> feeling that someone should be able to manage a simple tuning even if
> the batteries happen to be low?
Susan, sorry to be so blunt - but - get your head out of your ass and
accept that fact that ETD's are here to stay and get better and better
and better.

Again, I used Cybertuner on a Steinway GRAND - Model A - isn't that a
good enough test. AND - the - fact - that - the - customer - said - that
- it's - been - best - sounding - tuning - EVER !!!!!!!
>>  
>> 5) if both RPT's & Associates both pay the same dues, when why is one
>> group "Taxed without Representation"?
> I thought about this a little back when I was an Associate. I assume
> it's to try to get them to undergo the ordeal of the testing. It
> doesn't seem to be the most effective motivation so far.
>>  
>> 6) if new tools become available which can equal or surpass "the
>> test", then why are we completing the test the old way?  (I'm sure as
>> heck not going back to cursive writing... typing is far superior for me.)
> I am getting very tired of hearing all about the test .... isn't your
> universe any larger than the PTG testing procedures?
I'm tired of knocking the test too, BUT, damn it, when are they going to
recognize that technology is here - and - to - stay !!!

AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER AND BETTER - and I'm going to be so
bold to say that someday it will PASS aural tuning.
>>  
>> 7) if we are going to be considered "professionals" like Issac Stein
>> mentioned in his recent PTJ editorial... a) why are RPT's not being
>> re-tested on a regular basis... like the Professional Engineers &
>> their licenses (every 2-4 years, depending on the State) he refers
>> to?  And b) why no "continuing education requirements" such as Natl
>> or Regional PTG conventions or minimum number of Chapter Technicals
>> attended for an RPT to maintain their "status"?  Teachers & Engineers
>> have these requirements... as well as other "professions". 
> Do you really want to be more like a plumber? For me, one great
> advantage of piano technology is its unlicensed unregulated nature,
> which allows each person to decide their own way of doing business. Do
> you want to throw that away, and have everyone following onerous rules
> and having to undergo expensive retesting and continuing education as
> a requirement before they can work?
YES, YES, YES, just like older "fossil" drivers, really need a drivers
test to keep their driver's license.

Even, Susan, you can agree with this, that some older drivers really
need to take the drivers test again to keep their license.
>>  
>> 8) if today's RPT Tuning tests are indeed what anyone must pass to
>> become an RPT... then how is that status impacted by Jim Coleman Sr's
>> statement in the Tuning Examination Source Book foreward (reprint
>> 2002) "We set our scoring and tolerance system so that 80 percent of
>> our present members (Craftsman) would pass at a grade of 80
>> percent"... implying that 20% of those remaining grandfathered RPT's
>> would fail today's test... 
> A little mercy, perhaps? And the realization that if the testing and
> continuous education requirements become difficult and annoying,
> members will leave in droves. Tuners are independent cusses, and I
> like it that way.
Absolutely and I am one independent cuss - and - i - chose - Cybtertuner
- so - how - about - some - respect !
>>  
>> So Susan, other than trying to understand your "ETD's are limited"
>> comment...
> Just PUT IT BACK IN CONTEXT, please. People seem to have taken one
> look at that, and freaked right out. ETD's are limited by the
> competence of the people using them. Do you find that so impossible to
> agree with?
Again, in my case, I use Cybteruner, my mentor showed me how to use and,
on my own piano - an antique upright player - practiced, learned,
practiced, learned, practiced, etc. as well as taking the class taught
by the creator, Dean, on the proper use of Cybertuner.
>> I also wanted to put on paper the other sub-issues I think I hear...
>> and that should be addressed if this PTG organization is to grow &
>> improve.  Continuous Process Improvement.  Similar to the piano
>> itself...  a Technician is either improving themselves, or going
>> downhill.  "What are you doing for your own improvement, lately?" 
> If you try to standardize this ongoing improvement, and then force
> people to conform, you may find the PTG ends up shrinking instead of
> growing. At its best, good tuning is an art form, and doesn't submit
> to regimentation very well.
On the other hand, as my suspicion, the more you force an outdated form
of tuning like aural tuning, Associate members are going to stay
Associates.

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Duaine Hechler
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