Alan & Will,
See my post to Dale on what venue is appropriate to talk about this.
I'm proud we're a volunteer organization built by the membership. I have
seen issues with the "status quo". and I've tried to work on them to the
best of my ability. I'm not sure that PTG will be in a position to pay
instructors any time soon but we don't pay chapter officers or examiners or
any number of other deserving people either. When I was an institute
director I learned a lot about what instructors would like to have.
Sometimes you can do it and sometimes you can't, depends on a lot of factors
beyond your control. Most professional organizations our size don't pay
instructors or writers for their contributions at all.
As to whether you get more excellent instruction by paying instructors, that
hasn't always been my experience. I'm not sure we would get better officers
if we paid them either. Would we be a more professional organization if we
did so? I don't know the answer to that either. I do think that we would be
a much smaller organization with more limited resources and that would tend
to decrease our visibility in the marketplace. I've always enjoyed the
diversity in our membership and I'd hate to see that diminish. I think we'd
miss out on a lot of guys getting into the business and that by the time
they could afford membership they might just believe that they could do with
out. The Board of Directors has spent a lot of volunteer time trying to find
answers to these and other questions.
Like I said before how much to increase dues is a moving target depending
upon how many would quit over the price increase. I think you would have to
double them at a minimum.
Best,
Dale
Dale Probst RPT
Registered Piano Technician
Ward & Probst, Inc.
www.wardprobst.com <http://www.wardprobst.com/>
dale at wardprobst.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf
Of Alan Eder
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:11 AM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Right Here, Right Now (was Stuff Which Should
Really Be on PTG-L)
Dale,
I, too believe that, "... one motivated person can make a difference," which
is why I am chiming in on this topic, and where it will best reach an
appropriate audience, right here on pianotech.
I find it ironic that your takeaway from Del's eloquent and measured post
was the one statement he made that could be (mis?)construed to be in support
of the status quo. What is your take on everything else he wrote?
Similarly, while I appreciate and am still absorbing your response to
selected aspects of my post, I would be most interested to learn your views
on the points I made about furthering our own professionalism as an
organization, and placing a premium on excellence in instruction. To my
mind, these are two defining issues facing our Guild.
Finally, I apologize if I have passed on an inaccurate calculation as to how
much dues would have to be increased in order to make registration at
national conventions gratis for members. Please set me straight by
providing the true amount we would have to notch it up to accomplish this
intriguing goal.
Thanks,
Alan Eder
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Probst <dale at wardprobst.com>
To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 5:02 pm
Subject: [pianotech] Stuff Which Should Really Be on PTG-L
Hi Alan et al,
Whoever told you $10-$50 would do it was misinformed. I think dues would
have to double for the convention to be free. With a large increase we
would lose a significant percentage of the membership that makes a moving
target that is hard to calculate but that's my best guess. Doubling dues
won't have much effect if half the membership resigns
I've been reading a lot of posts and have a few comments which I'm sure
won't be received in the spirit they are intended but here they are. First,
participation in this listserve is down because fewer posts are on topic or
piano related. There have been more piano related posts on the new site
that's why some of us have spent more time there. Second, I believe some
workaround compromise will come about to keep the lists going longer. My
question is how many of the people who have complained are ready to serve as
admins or do other thankless jobs to keep these antiquated listserves going?
Don't bother telling me how much you dislike the Higher Logic site and that
these listserves are perfect. I heard complaints for years about these
listserves and their jumbled digests, archives and other issues when I was
on the Board.
On the topic of instructor reimbursements- it's simple math. With
registration prices lower this year, less could be reimbursed to instructors
because the budget of PTG depends upon income from the convention to pay
bills. I understand that instructors put a lot of time into presentations,
I've taught before. Board members put in a lot of time also, as do examiners
and other volunteer members. Del hit it right on the head when he said PTG
was a volunteer organization that was built by a generous spirit of
volunteerism. I can tell you first hand it still is and we are still
building. How to get from a totally volunteer organization to one where some
folks get reimbursed has been a problem that we have yet to solve. I do know
that it will never be amenable to everyone, no matter what we do.
As to "the absence of some of our finest independent instructors" at the
annual PTG convention- these will be the first classes I've have had a
chance to attend to since 1997 and I'm looking forward to them. There are
new classes and new faces and that is not altogether a bad thing. Do I wish
some of my old friends would be there? You bet! I also wish that my friends
could find some value in attending these new classes whether they were
teaching or not. I've been at this 30 years and I've yet to find a class
that didn't make me a better tech for attending. I'll grant that some do
more of that than others but the worst I ever attended was pretty darn good.
I wish you all the best and I hope to see some of you in KC.
Dale
PS Please keep in mind that these folks some of you are criticizing so
vehemently are volunteers you elected who take time away from their families
and work to serve. In my experience Board service at the RVP level takes a
month out of your year and it don't get better if you move up to the
Executive Committee. If you really feel motivated to make changes, sign up
and get involved. I can tell you from personal experience, one motivated
person can make a difference.
Dale Probst RPT
Registered Piano Technician
Ward & Probst, Inc.
www.wardprobst.com <http://www.wardprobst.com/>
dale at wardprobst.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org
<mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org?> ] On Behalf Of Alan Eder
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:01 PM
To: pianotech at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [pianotech] teaching money,(was Irritated )
Hi Mark,
I am deeply concerned about the absence of some of our finest independent
instructors at this year's national convention.
I would also rather pay higher dues and/or registration than to see the
quality of instruction diminish, but I'm also sensitive to the needs of
beginning technicians who may truly have trouble affording the cost of
attending.
I recently heard that someone (named Carl Lieberman?) calculated that with a
modest increase in dues (was it $50? or $10? Carl?), convention registration
could be free to all comers. Sure, everyone would still have to get
themselves there and pay for a room (hey, you have to eat whether you are at
home or on the road), but this would enormously increase the incentive to
attend conventions ('cause it's already paid for--take it, or leave it).
This approach, coupled with the kind of respect, both verbal and monetary,
exemplified by some of our better one-day seminars and regional conventions,
could enable the nationals to not only return to their former glory, but to
surpass it by showing that we truly value excellence in instruction and seek
to promote our own professionalism.
I appreciate your involvement in this issue and thank you for taking the
time to hear me out.
Alan Eder
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