[pianotech] SnS rim screws

[Joe Goss]

Bearing >g< Haven't really measured crown.
Piano is on a spider and those of you who know me 
know my back. Will check Crown perhaps tomorrow 
With a newbie who has a good back. Thanks to Dale I have the tool.
Joe Goss BSMusEd MMusEd RPT
imatunr at srvinet.com
www.mothergoosetools.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dale Erwin 
  To: pianotech at ptg.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 10:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [pianotech] SnS rim screws


   Hi Joe
   Maybe your using the  word bearing accidentally to mean crown? If the plate was really floating that much then maybe an increase in tone would occur in the regions which the subsequent plate movement would increase bearing in a 1 to one relationship.  ie mostly at the bass low tenor  or up in high trebles where the bolts are closer to the hitch rail. Even if the  nose bolts/hitch rail  were adjusted  a subsequent amount to match the plate ,...Even then sometimes no change is noticed, except the tuning has now been whacked out.
   The beauty of the WN& G perimeter bolts is that it is possible to play with/adjust palte height  after the piano is strung.
   More likely what you are hearing is from the benefits of mechanical coupling where energy is now not being lost into gnome land. Either that or....I dunno.
   You heard something...good enough!



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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Delwin D Fandrich <del at fandrichpiano.com>
  To: pianotech at ptg.org
  Sent: Sun, Jul 3, 2011 8:37 am
  Subject: Re: [pianotech] SnS rim screws


  Then I’d sure like to see better explanations of just what mechanism might have been at work to cause an immediate and measurable increase in soundboard crown as a result of tightening plate screws/bolts. There is nothing one could do to the rim—or any other part of the skeleton—of an assembled piano that could conceivably cause a resultant increase in soundboard crown. Tightening plate screws and/or bolts simply will not do it—no matter how loose they might have been or how tight they have now become.

  ddf

  Delwin D Fandrich
  Piano Design & Fabrication
  6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA
  Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525
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  From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Al Guecia/Allied PianoCraft
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:27 AM
  To: pianotech at ptg.org
  Subject: Re: [pianotech] SnS rim screws

  Joe Gross wrote: 

  Cut to the chase: We tightened the bolts  with a socket. Crown is back in the mid section where it was flat. Sustain 8 seconds.


  Del, I don't think it was relative humidity change in this case. As I read it, it was an immediate change.

  Al -
  High Point, NC



  On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Delwin D Fandrich wrote:



  It’s more likely the relative humidity around the piano has changed thus changing the moisture content in the board thus changing the amount of crown. Happens all the time when humidity levels changes.

  ddf

  Delwin D Fandrich
  Piano Design & Fabrication
  6939 Foothill Court SW, Olympia, Washington 98512 USA
  Phone  360.515.0119 — Cell  360.388.6525
  del at fandrichpiano.com — ddfandrich at gmail.com

  From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Al Guecia/Allied PianoCraft
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:33 AM
  To: pianotech at ptg.org
  Subject: Re: [pianotech] SnS rim screws

  Joe, it could then be possible that the plate was up off the supports and when you tighten the plate bolts you got the plate down onto the supports and thus the improved tone and down bearing.

  Al -
  High Point, NC
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