[pianotech] Horse and buggy users.

William Monroe bill at a440piano.net
Wed Jul 20 09:45:05 MDT 2011


Again, Duaine,

It goes beyond the list serv and it's function.  It encompasses all of the
PTG organizational functions as well.

As a non-member I can see how that is meaningless to you, but to some of us
it does matter.

William R. Monroe




On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> wrote:

> Here we go again .........
>
> I thought this subject was supposed to be banned - I know I got my last
> email "slapped" for bringing this up again.
>
> So now that it is here again, I'll chime in again.
>
> Comparison of the new list, is like the Edsel.
>
> It was ahead of it's time ..... not well accepted ..... and became a rare
> antique very quickly.
>
> I see the new list going in the same direction.
>
> As you can see, this was submitted under the old list - only.
>
> Regards, Duaine
>
> P.S. What happened to the old adage - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
> ?!?!?!?!?
>
> On 07/20/2011 09:11 AM, William Monroe wrote:
>
>> Will,
>>
>> I can't say that I condone Israel's approach to "encouraging" everyone to
>> use the new system.  I can say, however, that your suggestion, you quoted,
>>
>> "If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to
>> do it by means of several; for we observe that nature does not employ two
>> instruments [if] one suffice”.  That’s a pretty good measure for any
>> software interface design.  By that measure, to claim that the new HL forum
>> software represents a paradigm shift is laughable."
>>
>> It is essential that everyone who reads this forum (and who will
>> eventually be using the new system) understands that the paradigm shift (it
>> really is) reaches far beyond email lists.  The new software works
>> wonderfully for so much of what the home office needs it to do to track and
>> maintain membership, communications, and the integrating so many needs for
>> the organization - of which the email list is only one.
>>
>> Please understand, I value the list as much as anyone, and I don't mean to
>> imply that the new system is as simple as the old.  Neither do I intend to
>> denigrate any of it's users.  However, there are other considerations for
>> PTG besides the list.  The new software does a remarkable job filling the
>> needs of the PTG and incorporating the lists as well.  I'll say it again
>> because it is extremely important that we on the list fully understand:  the
>> needs of PTG are much more than just the list.
>>
>> To be sure, the list is important and it was considered.  And, it does
>> continue to function on the new software.  It is absolutely different.  It
>> is in some ways more troublesome.  It is in some ways better.  List folks
>> (and I include myself in that number) need to move past the initial
>> frustrations, log on, take the time to get set up as your needs see fit, and
>> learn to use it.  If we simply refuse to use it, it will never work for us.
>>  I'm discovering that as I use it more, it becomes vastly simpler.
>>
>> Again, the new software is a big step forward for the PTG on the
>> organizational level.  It may complicate the list function for a bit until
>> we all take the time to learn to use it effectively, but it will happen.
>>
>> William R. Monroe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Encore Pianos <
>> encorepianos at metrocast.net <mailto:encorepianos@**metrocast.net<encorepianos at metrocast.net>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    Dear Isreal:
>>
>>    Hmmmm….     “:fellow luddites”, “horse and buggy drivers complaining
>> how difficult it is to start a car”,
>>    “horseshit”, “can the attitude”, “small but loud group who refuse to
>> develop basic web skills” “files YOU PEOPLE
>>    were shoving onto my computer (caps added by me, wow, a conspiracy,
>> what fun!)  “massaging each other’s egos”
>>
>>    And now for the real kicker, “the relatively minor glitches that any
>> paradigm shift entails”.   PARADIGM
>>    SHIFT?????!!!!!!!!,  Isn’t that a bit like a 2 ½  foot tall guy dunking
>> the ball into a basket 2 feet off the
>>    ground and claiming “player of the year?”
>>
>>    Jon Page doesn’t need me to defend him and I won’t speak for him.  I
>> will say that I have met Jon and spent a
>>    little time with him, and have followed his posts on the forum over the
>> past years.  Somehow, luddite  never
>>    enters my mind when I think of Jon.  And please note that the group of
>> people you describe as luddites and horse
>>    and buggy drivers includes the following people, if we are including
>> those who have expressed their lack of
>>    enthusiasm for the new forum:   Del Fandrich, Ron Nossaman, Dale Erwin,
>> David Andersen,  and David Love; amongst
>>    many ohers.
>>
>>    I admire both Del and Ron for their approach to problem solving and
>> design, because they so well apply these
>>    variations on “Occam’s Razor”,   “Simplicity is the ultimate
>> sophistication” and “Entities must not be multiplied
>>    beyond necessity”.  It is always  a sign of an elegant and penetrating
>> mind to seek the simplest and most  direct
>>    solution.that fulfills all necessary criteria.
>>
>>    I think this saying from Saint Thomas Aquinas is most topical when
>> thinking of software, particularly the HL
>>    PIanotech web software: "If a thing can be done adequately by means of
>> one, it is superfluous to do it by means of
>>    several; for we observe that nature does not employ two instruments
>> [if] one suffice”.  That’s a pretty good
>>    measure for any software interface design.  By that measure, to claim
>> that the new HL forum software represents a
>>    paradigm shift is laughable.
>>
>>    Will Truitt
>>
>>
>
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