Again, Duaine, It goes beyond the list serv and it's function. It encompasses all of the PTG organizational functions as well. As a non-member I can see how that is meaningless to you, but to some of us it does matter. William R. Monroe On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net> wrote: > Here we go again ......... > > I thought this subject was supposed to be banned - I know I got my last > email "slapped" for bringing this up again. > > So now that it is here again, I'll chime in again. > > Comparison of the new list, is like the Edsel. > > It was ahead of it's time ..... not well accepted ..... and became a rare > antique very quickly. > > I see the new list going in the same direction. > > As you can see, this was submitted under the old list - only. > > Regards, Duaine > > P.S. What happened to the old adage - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" > ?!?!?!?!? > > On 07/20/2011 09:11 AM, William Monroe wrote: > >> Will, >> >> I can't say that I condone Israel's approach to "encouraging" everyone to >> use the new system. I can say, however, that your suggestion, you quoted, >> >> "If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is superfluous to >> do it by means of several; for we observe that nature does not employ two >> instruments [if] one suffice”. That’s a pretty good measure for any >> software interface design. By that measure, to claim that the new HL forum >> software represents a paradigm shift is laughable." >> >> It is essential that everyone who reads this forum (and who will >> eventually be using the new system) understands that the paradigm shift (it >> really is) reaches far beyond email lists. The new software works >> wonderfully for so much of what the home office needs it to do to track and >> maintain membership, communications, and the integrating so many needs for >> the organization - of which the email list is only one. >> >> Please understand, I value the list as much as anyone, and I don't mean to >> imply that the new system is as simple as the old. Neither do I intend to >> denigrate any of it's users. However, there are other considerations for >> PTG besides the list. The new software does a remarkable job filling the >> needs of the PTG and incorporating the lists as well. I'll say it again >> because it is extremely important that we on the list fully understand: the >> needs of PTG are much more than just the list. >> >> To be sure, the list is important and it was considered. And, it does >> continue to function on the new software. It is absolutely different. It >> is in some ways more troublesome. It is in some ways better. List folks >> (and I include myself in that number) need to move past the initial >> frustrations, log on, take the time to get set up as your needs see fit, and >> learn to use it. If we simply refuse to use it, it will never work for us. >> I'm discovering that as I use it more, it becomes vastly simpler. >> >> Again, the new software is a big step forward for the PTG on the >> organizational level. It may complicate the list function for a bit until >> we all take the time to learn to use it effectively, but it will happen. >> >> William R. Monroe >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Encore Pianos < >> encorepianos at metrocast.net <mailto:encorepianos@**metrocast.net<encorepianos at metrocast.net>>> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Isreal: >> >> Hmmmm…. “:fellow luddites”, “horse and buggy drivers complaining >> how difficult it is to start a car”, >> “horseshit”, “can the attitude”, “small but loud group who refuse to >> develop basic web skills” “files YOU PEOPLE >> were shoving onto my computer (caps added by me, wow, a conspiracy, >> what fun!) “massaging each other’s egos” >> >> And now for the real kicker, “the relatively minor glitches that any >> paradigm shift entails”. PARADIGM >> SHIFT?????!!!!!!!!, Isn’t that a bit like a 2 ½ foot tall guy dunking >> the ball into a basket 2 feet off the >> ground and claiming “player of the year?” >> >> Jon Page doesn’t need me to defend him and I won’t speak for him. I >> will say that I have met Jon and spent a >> little time with him, and have followed his posts on the forum over the >> past years. Somehow, luddite never >> enters my mind when I think of Jon. And please note that the group of >> people you describe as luddites and horse >> and buggy drivers includes the following people, if we are including >> those who have expressed their lack of >> enthusiasm for the new forum: Del Fandrich, Ron Nossaman, Dale Erwin, >> David Andersen, and David Love; amongst >> many ohers. >> >> I admire both Del and Ron for their approach to problem solving and >> design, because they so well apply these >> variations on “Occam’s Razor”, “Simplicity is the ultimate >> sophistication” and “Entities must not be multiplied >> beyond necessity”. It is always a sign of an elegant and penetrating >> mind to seek the simplest and most direct >> solution.that fulfills all necessary criteria. >> >> I think this saying from Saint Thomas Aquinas is most topical when >> thinking of software, particularly the HL >> PIanotech web software: "If a thing can be done adequately by means of >> one, it is superfluous to do it by means of >> several; for we observe that nature does not employ two instruments >> [if] one suffice”. That’s a pretty good >> measure for any software interface design. By that measure, to claim >> that the new HL forum software represents a >> paradigm shift is laughable. >> >> Will Truitt >> >> > > -- > Duaine Hechler > Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ > Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding > Reed Organ Society Member > Florissant, MO 63034 > (314) 838-5587 > dahechler at att.net > www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com > -- > Home& Business user of Linux - 11 years > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/20110720/9b3dd6bd/attachment.htm>
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