who gives a rats arse
bout the home office
William,
Wrong again - I DO CARE.
Say what?
-----Original Message-----
From: Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net>
To: pianotech <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2011 7:25 am
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Horse and buggy users.
William,
Wrong again - I DO CARE.
However, as I am listening to the audio posted, it appears that it was NOT
ested thoroughly - especially the tech list
ortion.
And, the tech list portion was NOT taken seriously enough to be one of the
RIMARY functions that WORKED UP FRONT.
Duaine
On 07/20/2011 11:09 AM, William Monroe wrote:
Which is precisely my point. You don't care about the functioning of the
rganization. Some of us do. Those of us
who are members have a vested interest in the organization doing well. Some
f us are willing to accept an initial
compromise in the functioning of the list to improve (maintain) the
unctioning of the organization as a whole.
Without the organization, there is no list, Duaine.
William R. Monroe
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net
mailto:dahechler at att.net>> wrote:
Again, William,
My membership DOES NOT come into play in this discussion - SO - just drop
t.
FYI, I was a member until I could not afford the dues and the overall
ubject matter did not include much about
the antique player systems.
PLUS, as in what a lot of other persons are saying, who gives a rats arse
bout the home office - to us
(non-members included), it's all about the tech list (functionality, ease
f use, syncing with other devices, etc)
Duaine
On 07/20/2011 10:45 AM, William Monroe wrote:
Again, Duaine,
It goes beyond the list serv and it's function. It encompasses all of
he PTG organizational functions as well.
As a non-member I can see how that is meaningless to you, but to some
f us it does matter.
William R. Monroe
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Duaine Hechler <dahechler at att.net
mailto:dahechler at att.net>
<mailto:dahechler at att.net <mailto:dahechler at att.net>>> wrote:
Here we go again .........
I thought this subject was supposed to be banned - I know I got my
ast email "slapped" for bringing this
up again.
So now that it is here again, I'll chime in again.
Comparison of the new list, is like the Edsel.
It was ahead of it's time ..... not well accepted ..... and became
rare antique very quickly.
I see the new list going in the same direction.
As you can see, this was submitted under the old list - only.
Regards, Duaine
P.S. What happened to the old adage - "if it ain't broke, don't fix
t" ?!?!?!?!?
On 07/20/2011 09:11 AM, William Monroe wrote:
Will,
I can't say that I condone Israel's approach to "encouraging"
veryone to use the new system. I can say,
however, that your suggestion, you quoted,
"If a thing can be done adequately by means of one, it is
uperfluous to do it by means of several; for we
observe that nature does not employ two instruments [if] one
uffice”. That’s a pretty good measure
for any
software interface design. By that measure, to claim that the
ew HL forum software represents a paradigm
shift is laughable."
It is essential that everyone who reads this forum (and who
ill eventually be using the new system)
understands that the paradigm shift (it really is) reaches far
eyond email lists. The new software works
wonderfully for so much of what the home office needs it to do
o track and maintain membership,
communications, and the integrating so many needs for the
rganization - of which the email list is
only one.
Please understand, I value the list as much as anyone, and I
on't mean to imply that the new system is as
simple as the old. Neither do I intend to denigrate any of
t's users. However, there are other
considerations for PTG besides the list. The new software does
remarkable job filling the needs of
the PTG
and incorporating the lists as well. I'll say it again because
t is extremely important that we on
the list
fully understand: the needs of PTG are much more than just the
ist.
To be sure, the list is important and it was considered. And,
t does continue to function on the new
software. It is absolutely different. It is in some ways more
roublesome. It is in some ways
better. List
folks (and I include myself in that number) need to move past
he initial frustrations, log on, take
the time
to get set up as your needs see fit, and learn to use it. If
e simply refuse to use it, it will never
work
for us. I'm discovering that as I use it more, it becomes
astly simpler.
Again, the new software is a big step forward for the PTG on
he organizational level. It may
complicate the
list function for a bit until we all take the time to learn to
se it effectively, but it will happen.
William R. Monroe
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Encore Pianos
encorepianos at metrocast.net
<mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net> <mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net
mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net>>
<mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net <mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net>
mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net
<mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net>>>> wrote:
Dear Isreal:
Hmmmm…. “:fellow luddites”, “horse and buggy drivers
omplaining how difficult it is to start a
car”,
“horseshit”, “can the attitude”, “small but loud group who
efuse to develop basic web skills”
“files YOU
PEOPLE
were shoving onto my computer (caps added by me, wow, a
onspiracy, what fun!) “massaging each
other’s egos”
And now for the real kicker, “the relatively minor glitches
hat any paradigm shift entails”. PARADIGM
SHIFT?????!!!!!!!!, Isn’t that a bit like a 2 ½ foot tall
uy dunking the ball into a basket 2
feet off the
ground and claiming “player of the year?”
Jon Page doesn’t need me to defend him and I won’t speak for
im. I will say that I have met Jon
and spent a
little time with him, and have followed his posts on the
orum over the past years. Somehow,
luddite never
enters my mind when I think of Jon. And please note that
he group of people you describe as
luddites and
horse
and buggy drivers includes the following people, if we are
ncluding those who have expressed their
lack of
enthusiasm for the new forum: Del Fandrich, Ron Nossaman,
ale Erwin, David Andersen, and David Love;
amongst
many ohers.
I admire both Del and Ron for their approach to problem
olving and design, because they so well
apply these
variations on “Occam’s Razor”, “Simplicity is the ultimate
ophistication” and “Entities must not be
multiplied
beyond necessity”. It is always a sign of an elegant and
enetrating mind to seek the simplest and
most
direct
solution.that fulfills all necessary criteria.
I think this saying from Saint Thomas Aquinas is most
opical when thinking of software,
particularly the HL
PIanotech web software: "If a thing can be done adequately
y means of one, it is superfluous to do
it by
means of
several; for we observe that nature does not employ two
nstruments [if] one suffice”. That’s a
pretty good
measure for any software interface design. By that measure,
o claim that the new HL forum software
represents a
paradigm shift is laughable.
Will Truitt
-- Duaine Hechler
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Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding
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Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ
Tuning, Servicing& Rebuilding
Reed Organ Society Member
Florissant, MO 63034
(314) 838-5587 <tel:%28314%29%20838-5587>
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uaine Hechler
iano, Player Piano, Pump Organ
uning, Servicing& Rebuilding
eed Organ Society Member
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