[pianotech] Was high and outside now silent pitch lowering

Terry Farrell mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com
Wed Oct 31 10:11:48 MDT 2012


What is your pitch raise method John? I know many techs say they do a pitch raise in 20 minutes or so. I usually take about 40 to 45 minutes. I would very much like to speed up my technique.

Thanks!

Terry Farrell

On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:48 AM, John Formsma wrote:

> I have tried it...with poor results each time. 
> 
> A pitch raise usually takes me only 15-20 minutes, so it's not like I'm saving much time. And I've given away huge amounts of accuracy with the "blind" method.
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> John Formsma, RPT
> Blue Mountain, MS
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> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Terry Farrell <mfarrel2 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> I've never attempted a blind overpull,
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> CHICKEN!!!!!!!!  Boy, not me though. I've done it a couple of times - VERY fast and VERY easy.
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> And then I spent a half-hour pulling in strings that ended up 50 cents off this way and that, etc., etc.  My attempts were disastrous. But hey, I tried it!  I just don't see how it would be possible to do a blind pitch raise and get everything within a couple cents - or even all within an average of a couple cents.  But then, there are lots of things I find difficult to do - very often just because I am not skilled at it. I dunno - maybe with practice. But even with practice, it just doesn't seem likely to come close enough. I'd really like to watch someone do a "good enough" 60-cent pitch raise blindly and have the piano ready for a good one-pass tuning (i.e. have the piano within a few cents of target for tuning pass). It would be very interesting.
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> Terry Farrell
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> On Oct 31, 2012, at 11:11 AM, paul bruesch wrote:
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>> Thanks Joe,
>> 
>> I do "do the math", or at least very rough math, to compensate for the restrictions imposed by only having 25% or 34% options. I thought Terry's statement that he uses the Sanderson method meant that he was using a SAT and that maybe his SAT was capable of calculating different percentages than my SAT3... he's since clarified that. (Thanks, Terry!)
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>> I've never attempted a blind overpull, and don't plan to any time in the foreseeable future. Even after (only) 8 years at this I don't feel comfortable enough to try it.
>> 
>> Paul Bruesch
>> Stillwater, MN
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>> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Joe Goss <imatunr at srvinet.com> wrote:
>> hi     Paul,
>> if you do the math you can make the sat do any thing. on most pianos I measure a2 if it is say 40 cents flat I change it to 20 and enter.
>>  tune the bass. measure the first tenor note. if it is a spinet I deduct 5 percent from the reading and enter. large pianos 25 percent.  recheck at
>> Bb 4 or C 5 depending on how many notes are left before the break 25 percent re check at break and f6 c7 each time using 25 percent
>> I do check along the way and like to have the newly tunes note sharp of the octave and sort of in the ball park with the 4th and 5th..
>> around f6 I tune and leave the first and second string about 3 to 5 cts sharp and zero in the 3rd string. Check with ear and re tune if needed.
>> The process takes me about 45 minutes with the piano ready to tune 15 to 30 minutes or 1:30 Min
>> the above is done using heavy test blows.
>>  
>> Never have been successful with the blind over pull,it always results in me re tuning a squirrely piano several times to get it stable.
>> The above tuning is done with heavy test blows
>> 
>> Joe
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