ETD's

[Jim Busby]

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David,
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            On the second tuning, after it had all the partials
recorded, the Verituner did nearly what the DOB function does on the SAT
III by expanding the double octave, and over the break it really made
the tuning smoother. With the SAT, I nearly always disagree with a
"stock" tuning but, I need to add, Al Sanderson is emphatic about the
need to use your aural skills and use the SAT as a tool, not the end
thereof. That is one of the reasons he added the DOB function. Also, the
6:3 octaves in the bass sometimes bother me on larger scales so I tune
8:4 and sometimes 12:6 on the very bottom. Dr. Sanderson says he used a
certain university's piano faculty (Harvard??) as a basis for those
octaves, so it was a subjective decision.
            Dr. Sanderson wrote a very energetic article defending his
FAC numbers and discounting the "multiple partial" method of other ETDs
as unnecessary. No doubt he is a whiz and his product is great, but I
still like the bells and whistles on the Verituner and RCT.=20
            One of the introductions of Al Sanderson at a convention
went something like this "Al Sanderson has single handedly raised the
level of tunings in the world."  He is a wonderful technician with a
great product so I'm not getting rid of my SAT in the near future!
            Hope that answers your question.
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Jim Busby RPT
BYU
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David's Email
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:25 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: ETD's
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Jim,=20
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I'm interested in how the Verituner tweeked the tuning like your ear
would.  What does that mean? =20
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David I.
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	From: Jim Busby <mailto:jim_busby@byu.edu> =20
	To: davidlovepianos@earthlink.net ; College and University
Technicians <mailto:caut@ptg.org> =20
	Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:37 PM
	Subject: RE: ETD's
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	Ditto what Dave said. I really like the Verituner. Jim Coleman's
class on ETD's is great if you haven't taken it. The bottom line seems
to be; any one of the 4 can do whatever you want IF you know how to use
them and IF you use your aural skills. I've used all but Tunelab. If
you're into computers and really high tech stuff, try Cybertuner. If
you've used SAT 1 you'll like the III. It's a workhorse. I recharge mine
once a month, and I love the DOB feature. AND you can still tweek the
numbers. I've tuned several pianos with the Verituner and had the SAT
side by side, and I can say that they agreed on the first tuning
(Verituner takes in partials on the first tuning) but on the 2nd tuning
the Verituner tweeked the tuning the way I would have by ear. (Mostly. I
still check and change some things with the Verituner.=20
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	I know a technician in Cal. that swears he can tune with a
Stobocon and make it work! (Maybe he can, maybe he can't...)
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	Jim Busby BYU
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	From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On
Behalf Of David Love
	Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:38 AM
	To: College and University Technicians
	Subject: RE: ETD's
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	I've used the SAT III and the Verituner (which I now use and
prefer).  The Verituner, IMO, delivers a better no brainer tuning, nice
pitch raise function, good data storage, and finds any note you play.
The only down side is that it's bigger, heavier and the battery life is
shorter 8 hours).  I carry the charger/adapter with me. =20
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	David Love
	davidlovepianos@earthlink.net
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		From: Dave Forman <mailto:dforman@rider.edu> =20
		To: caut@ptg.org
		Sent: 11/1/2003 9:00:39 AM=20
		Subject: ETD's
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		Caut,
		I'm considering buying a new tuner, and I'm looking for
advice. I'm looking at the SAT, Cybertuner, and Verituner. What are your
experiences with these, which do you prefer, and why. I've used an SAT I
for 12 years, and I'm wondering if the newer devices do give a better
tuning.
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		Dave Forman
		Westminster Choir College of Rider University

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