[CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)

[Jim Busby]

Paul,

 

You restrung a Kawai with Stainless? I thought the high tension scales
of Kawais precluded them for stainless. What scaling program, or better,
how did you figure the scale for the Kawai with the stainless? I'm very
much interested in this.

 

Also, you replaced broken strings with stainless? What about the sound
difference, how did you deal with that, or was it even that different.
Both of these situations are very curious. Maybe this wire is more
versatile and less fragile than I thought. You're much bolder than I!

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Paul T Williams
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!)

 


Hi Jim, 

I rebuilt a 1932 Steinway L last fall.   

I did restring a Kawai No.600 three years ago for a church (I forgot
that I did use stainless on that one as well...) 

All the other jobs have been replacing broken strings in practice rooms
on S&S, M&H grands.  LOTS of them! 

I'm very happy in how few times they needed tuning before holding
"steady".  I will be restringing another L and an A this school year.
(as well as a ton of broken strings upstairs!) 

Best, 

Paul 





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Paul, 
  
Here I thought I was the only "crazy", but I'm finding more people
coming out of the stainless closet! Peter Grey, back east, has done five
Steinways, and we've done ten here. Ed has used the wire for historical
instruments. I know of a few others who have done one or two. 
  
I would really like to know what pianos you have strung with stainless.
Also, please let me know your experience with the wire. I'll be helping
Juan with an article soon and would like more input from other
technicians. 
  
I do have some old wire. Good thought. 
  
Thanks. 
  
Regards, 
Jim Busby 
  

 

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Paul T Williams
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:53 AM
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I really like this question as I have used only the stainless since
coming to UNL.  I used Mapes in the "private" world for 15 years and
wonder know why I didn't go stainless sooner!   

Also,Jim,  do you have some old wire in the corner of the shop
somewhere?  Old vs. new wire might be another study... 

Best, 

Paul 



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Hi Jurgen, 
 
You're right. I can't see why Americans don't use it, except that they
haven't used it. I "went out on a limb" and experimented with it on one
piano. Now after about 3 years I'll use it EVERY time I can! 
 
I think the tuning stability has to do with the malleability that Daniel
mentioned. It's absolutely amazing to me that it takes only two or three
tunings on a newly strung piano and it's stable, ready to play without
any "prepping" (bending, etc.) Besides the stainless factor I think this
is the biggest reason why I use it. Instant stability. Good question.
Thanks. 
 
Jim Busby BYU 
  


  

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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Jurgen Goering
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:09 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Scientific study - Stainless wire (Help!) 
 
Hello Jim, 
this sounds like a very worthwhile, interesting, and for me, exciting
prospect. 
 
As a believer in stainless wire for many different situations and
applications, I am surprised it is so slow to get recognition in North
America. 
 
Among the things you mention, I wonder if there is any way to study how
and why stainless wire attains such a high degree of tuning stability. 
 
Jurgen Goering 
Piano Forte Supply 
(250) 754-2440 
info at pianofortesupply.com 
http://www.pianofortesupply.com 
 
 
On Aug 27, 2007, at 14:48, Jim Busby wrote: 
List, 
 
We (BYU) finally are ready to do some scientific studies of stainless
wire. This will be conducted by Physics professors/students here at BYU.
Could any of you help me pose some "questions", "queries" or whatever
you want to call it, for these studies? 
 
One of our student piano technicians is doing his senior project and his
professors (who we've bugged for years) are just now getting excited
about this. 
 
Here are some things I've thought of; 
 
1 What are the actual differences in sound between stainless and Mapes
or Roslau? (Spectrum, etc.) 
2 What are the differences in inharmonicity between the two? 
3 (how?) Do bass strings with stainless core sound different than other
core? 
4 etc.... 
 
Jim Ellis, others, I'd really like some input on this. We have our ducks
in a row so now is the time. 
 
Thanks, 
Jim Busby BYU 

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