Ric, Isn't membership in the "Klavierbaur association" mandatory for working on pianos in Germany? At least they don't have 80% of piano techs totally outside of the organization (not members at all), but maybe that's a moot point. Your point of benefits is a good one. Here at BYU they estimate the benefits "package" at $17,000.00 per year. That would make the $39,000.00 salary actually be $56,000.00. While that's not "enough" for me, it might be a fairly average wage in the United States, and maybe shouldn't be dismissed as total nonsense. In actuality, it ain't that far below my BYU salary... Thank goodness for outside work. Regards, Jim Busby BYU -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Richard Brekne Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:02 AM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: [CAUT] Job Opening, U. of Michigan, Ann Arbor Hi Jim I agree, the RPT title doesnt seem to carry a lot of weight in places like this. I suppose its a natural result of that seemingly eternal quandry the PTG finds itself in regarding the whole <<certification>> thing. We end up giving a test that is in the end a confirmation of minimal skills for a journeyman starting point at best. Could be worse I suppose. At least the PTG enforces the question about who gets to use (or imply use) of RPT status in their advertising. Here in Europe those who are members of the German Klavierbaur association can imply without any further ado that they are Klavierbaur Meisters. They do not have to specify their status as either Meister or Gessel (sp) Gessel means "helper" or "assistant" and translates really in trade jargon to technician. Yet these same get to pass themselves off as bonified piano builders when they dont have the first clue about building concepts. I think in the end they are headed for the same kinds of problems the PTG struggles with in keeping public respect for their titles. The RPT status suffers in university situations because all too many RPT's are simply not up to the task of handling a university situation with demands of high quality work and problem solving. I've said before that the CAUT organization should provide its own stamp of recognition to techs... with testing procedures that far exceed the demands of the RPT testing. If you can first show the University world that a CAUT approved technician will guaranteed handle any University job situation... and work hard to spread the word to all universities... then maybe some headway will be made. As too the salary. I admit it looks on the surface lower then it should. But one should not forget the value of paid medical and dental insurances, along with the usual reductions in tuition for family members such jobs usually offer. These are not specified in the note posted... but then that wasnt a readout of the job listing perhaps. There might be one objection that one could raise about paid medical insurances I suppose. Insurance companies in America seem to be so capable of finding clever ways of renigging on there coverage deals that many of us out in countries like Canada and some European companies wonder at the continued support for the so called private health system over there.... but thats another question entirely and we dont need to get into that. Point being I'd understand that some would more or less write off any value of a health care package as part of a salary deal. Cheers RicB Scott, others, With all the job openings nowadays I rarely see "RPT preferred", etc. Below it says "technical training from a recognized school of piano technology, or college graduate with courses in piano technology..." What schools are considered "recognized"???? or, what courses qualify (above)? When I applied here at BYU it said "RPT or equivalent preferred". A fellow applied as "certified" because he has his certificate from "the American School of Piano Tuning", or something like that. I looked into the "school" and all you needed was to pay the $250.00 or so and complete 10 lessons. Then, I guess you were certified". With the salaries listed for the last several posted openings I guess we have a long way to go... Jim Busby RPT, BA, MPT, BMF
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