And, this is why the CAUT employment situation will never change for the better. It's not a chip. It is identification of the problems we need to fix. But, leave us alone. We like our lives the way they are. And that's why these job openings come open and nobody with skills wants them. Jeff Jeff. We all recognize that there are employment problems with schools. It's one thing to criticize the schools that are not paying enough, or demand too much work from us. But it's a horse of a different color when you criticize the people who are doing the work, when we try to defend why certain requirements are necessary, or what skills we need to do our work. If you had a problem with your school, I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean all of us had that problem. Have you ever considered why you think the faculty and administration at your old school didn't give you the respect you thought you deserved? Could it possibly be that they didn't respect you because you didn't have a degree in music? I was fired from UA, not because I didn't know what I was doing. I was fired because I was a Yankee. They never said that to my face, but when it comes down to it, that's what it was. For a while I was very bitter. But I have matured now, and have burned that bridge. I will probably never work for a university again, but I have come to grips with that, and I am happy about it. It's in the past, and I have no regrets. But I don't jump all over everyone who works for a university, and warn them that they could be next. In other words, Jeff. Get over it. Accept the fact that some schools want a degree in music, and others don't. Some schools will pay just barely enough to feed a family, and some schools pay a very good salary. Some schools respect their piano technician, and other don't. These things will never change, no matter how hard you complain or try to blow your horn. Wim -----Original Message----- From: tannertuner <tannertuner at bellsouth.net> To: caut <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Re: [CAUT] apology (was Re: U. of Northern Iowa position) And, this is why the CAUT employment situation will never change for the better. It's not a chip. It is identification of the problems we need to fix. But, leave us alone. We like our lives the way they are. And that's why these job openings come open and nobody with skills wants them. Jeff --- On Thu, 8/12/10, tnrwim at aol.com <tnrwim at aol.com> wrote: Jeff, with all due respect, man, as several have indicated, you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder, and it comes across loud and clear.You can make excuses 'til the cows come home, but you're barking up the wrong tree with your criticism. Take a hint and back off on this rant. It's not appreciated. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu> To: caut <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 5:24 am Subject: [CAUT] apology (was Re: U. of Northern Iowa position) Jeff and all, My apologies for the overly snappish and personally critical tone of his post. red n Aug 12, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Fred Sturm wrote: > On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:38 AM, tannertuner wrote: > I think to a large degree you miss my point. Jeff, As I wrote, I was certain I wouldn't change your mind. I am quite convinced you will persist in the same attitude you have displayed for the past many years on this list, and it is an attitude that would certainly dissuade me from considering hiring you for a caut position. I don't care what physical skills you have, I wouldn't want someone with that attitude around. Someone with zero respect for the enterprise of the institution, and with an enormous chip on the shoulder, is not really an asset. Regards, Fred Sturm fssturm at unm.edu http://www.createculture.org/profile/FredSturm http://www.youtube.com/fredsturm http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/FredSturm Regards, red Sturm ssturm at unm.edu I am only interested in music that is better than it can be played." chnabel Jeff, with all due respect, man, as several have indicated, you do seem to have a chip on your shoulder, and it comes across loud and clear.You can make excuses 'til the cows come home, but you're barking up the wrong tree with your criticism. Take a hint and back off on this rant. It's not appreciated. Wim -----Original Message----- From: Fred Sturm <fssturm at unm.edu> To: caut <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 5:24 am Subject: [CAUT] apology (was Re: U. of Northern Iowa position) Jeff and all, My apologies for the overly snappish and personally critical tone of his post. red n Aug 12, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Fred Sturm wrote: > On Aug 12, 2010, at 7:38 AM, tannertuner wrote: > I think to a large degree you miss my point. Jeff, As I wrote, I was certain I wouldn't change your mind. I am quite convinced you will persist in the same attitude you have displayed for the past many years on this list, and it is an attitude that would certainly dissuade me from considering hiring you for a caut position. I don't care what physical skills you have, I wouldn't want someone with that attitude around. Someone with zero respect for the enterprise of the institution, and with an enormous chip on the shoulder, is not really an asset. Regards, Fred Sturm fssturm at unm.edu http://www.createculture.org/profile/FredSturm http://www.youtube.com/fredsturm http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/FredSturm Regards, red Sturm ssturm at unm.edu I am only interested in music that is better than it can be played." chnabel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20100812/d8d891fb/attachment-0001.htm>
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