Butt plates

ROGERIO OLIVEIRA DA CUNHA rogeriocunha@openlink.com.br
Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:15:31 -0200


Hello list. I thenks the help of Barrie Heaton, Newton Hunt and Suzan Kline
and I have a new ! Today I make some experiences using on the butt some
differnts materials. Plastick ( this is yhe same Plastic Brazil), Araldite
and an acrylic used by prosthodontist in order to make denture. This
material is a powder ( white or pink) that you mixture with a catalyzer. In
5 or 6 minutes it will be very hard. There are very much time I use it
soldering wood parts, etc, etc.  The acrylic it seems to be the best. The
second better was Plastick.
I thanks the help because  on Rio, where you may find hot time ( today we
are with 90 F ) we find sonme pianos with butt plates problem.
Rogerio Cunha - IC Member of the Guild - Rio - Brasil
-----Mensagem original-----
De: Barrie Heaton <Piano@forte.airtime.co.uk>
Para: pianotech@ptg.org <pianotech@ptg.org>
Data: Quinta-feira, 29 de Janeiro de 1998 23:52
Assunto: Re: Butt plates


>That is the stuff,  I use Car Body filler, you all ways run out of
>catalyzer befor the putty. It is the same stuff as Plastick wood.
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>Do about five at a time, any more and the padding is too hard to work
>with. I use five old butt plates so it is OK if I get some padding on
>them. I use a half size down pin from the one I will re-centre with.
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>Araldite is Ok but it is a bit tacky for this job.
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>A tip for Araldite, if you have some hair line cracks on bridges mix
>some Araldite on a tin lid with a small hole in it,  use a mach and heat
>up the  Araldite it get very runny. Let it poor out of the little hole
>in to the cracks.
>
>
>Barrie,
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>In article <01bd2cf1$b8fef8e0$5b1cf0c8@default>, ROGERIO OLIVEIRA DA
>CUNHA <rogeriocunha@openlink.com.br> writes
>>Hello Barrie. I thanks your information about butt plates. I would like to
>>do an experience with the option 2 but I need more information about
PLASTIC
>>PADDIN in order to find here in Brasil something like it. We have a
product
>>called PLASTIC and it is a plastic dough or paste that you mixture it with
a
>>catalyzer and in few minutes it becomes a very hard material and you may
use
>>it to repair plastics, woods, cars, etc because it have a great adherence.
>>Another product is ARALDITE and it is two doughs in different colors and
you
>>mixture the two in order to obtain a product that in 2 hours is hard. Can
>>you help me? Thanks.
>>Rogerio Cunha - IC Member of the PTG - Rio - Brasil
>>-----Mensagem original-----
>>De: Barrie Heaton <Piano@forte.airtime.co.uk>
>>Para: pianotech@ptg.org <pianotech@ptg.org>
>>Data: Quarta-feira, 28 de Janeiro de 1998 21:31
>>Assunto: Re: Butt plates
>>
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>>>I have three methods.
>>>
>>>1. On the job quick fix.  I hve some dymo tape not so sure if that is
>>>the name for it in the states, its the quarter inch sticky back fairly
>>>hard plastic, I cut that in to a thin strip nd stick it over the slot
>>>put the but plate back on tighten up screw, it works most of the time.
>>>
>>>2. Workshop I drill a little hole in the centre of the groove with a
>>>little needle drill, fill groove with plastic paddin, plade a greased
>>>centre pin in groove and tighten up but plate allow to set then trim off
>>>the over spill at sides.  This works quite well, the little hole is just
>>>an anchor point.  You put the grease on the pin just a little to stop it
>>>from bonding to the plastic wood.
>>>
>>>3. if all fails change the buts.
>>>
>>>The bigest problem I have with them is with older pianos where
>>>technicians have over tightened the screw and split the but.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hope this is of some help.
>>>
>>>Kind regards,
>>>
>>>Barrie.
>>>
>>>
>>>In article <01bd2c1f$ec438c20$0100007f@localhost>, ROGERIO OLIVEIRA DA
>>>CUNHA <rogeriocunha@openlink.com.br> writes
>>>>Tp the list.
>>>>There is no doubt that 90% of pianos have butt plates, but all the books
>>such as
>>>>Reblitz, the Guild's PACE series, the Guild reprints of articles, etc,
say
>>>>nothing about problems with utt plates.
>>>>Manufacturing action parts from unseasoned wood causes a bad problem.
When
>>the
>>>>wood dries completely the hammer wobbles from side to side because the
>>groove in
>>>>the butt is greater than the diameter of the center pin.
>>>>The first thing that you try is replacing the center pin ! Sometimes you
>>use
>>>>size 25 or size 26 center pins and the problem is still there. Other
times
>>you
>>>>see that the bushing cloth is all right and you ask, "Why ream or
burnish
>>the
>>>>bushing cloth if it is very good and the center pin is the right size?
>>>>This is the question ==> WHAT IS A BETTER THING TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT?
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Rogerio Cunha - IC Member of the Guild - Rio - Brasil.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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