Refinishing - Stripping & Stain Uneveness

[gordon stelter]

I meant a  dye coat first. I am a tad perplexed by
Arthur Grudco's allegation that pigment stains are
more fade resistant than aniline dyes, as I thought it
was actually the other way around. At least with
water-soluble aniline dyes, which is what I recommend.
They are, I believe, more fade resistant than your
typical oil-based pigment-stain . (i.e. "Minwax"). 
     And, yes, you MUST be sure that your filler-coat
is darker than the surrounding stained wood,
(unless you want a "novelty" finish)!
     AND IGNORE WHAT IT SAYS ON THE CAN!!! The last
"Mahogany" filler I bought was the color of pencil
erasers!  and NO amount of Universal Tint fixed it.
But "Walnut" filler, on a thin sealer coat, over a 
mahogany dye stain was PERFECT ( For a mahogany piano!
     Thump


        I will have to try this. Something about
> this is puzzling to me
> > though. If the paste wood filler is applied after
> the sealer and before a
> > top coat what are you doing about the color of the
> filler?
> >
> > Greg Newell
> >
> >
> > P.S. did you mean stain first or die first? Stain
> is more like paint in
> > that it sits on top while die penetrates the wood
> to a much higher degree.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 02:27 PM 4/28/2003, you wrote:
> >
> > >You should apply the stain first, then a thin
> sealer
> > >coat of finish, and then sand off raised
> whiskers...
> > >LIGHTLY!!!!.( 320 grit wet or dry ) And THEN
> apply the
> > >paste wood filler! AND THEN topcoat.  This
> schedule
> > >will provide a MUCH, MUCH cleaner looking
> piano!!!
> > >      Thump
> > >
> > >--- Greg Newell <gnewell@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > > > Terry,
> > > >          Rockler Woodworking and Hardware has
> a
> > > > product called Wunderfil
> > > > which is just your basic wood paste filler.
> I've not
> > > > been too crazy about
> > > > it for it's tendency to lift out ( minor
> amounts)
> > > > when you are brushing on
> > > > the water based die and or stain. I'm
> think9ing of
> > > > switching to alcohol
> > > > based so that the filler stays put when I
> re-wet
> > > > with the die or stain.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 08:52 AM 4/27/2003, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hi Greg. What are you filling grain with? I
> have
> > > > always used
> > > > >marine-oriented filler/stain in the past. I
> am
> > > > interested in going
> > > > >water-based just to cut down the fumes.
> > > > >
> > > > >Terry Farrell
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Greg Newell" <gnewell@ameritech.net>
> > > > >To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 3:57 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: Refinishing - Stripping & Stain
> > > > Uneveness
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Terry,
> > > > > >          You can stain, sure, but start
> with an
> > > > anneline or a water based
> > > > > > dye first. That will help make the color
> much
> > > > more even.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 03:23 PM 4/26/2003, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Refinishing question. I started stripping
> a
> > > > piano - the typical reddish
> > > > > > >stained mahogany. The finish was
> original. I
> > > > have always used chemical
> > > > > > >strippers before but I am trying scraping
> this
> > > > time. The scraping
> > > > > seems to
> > > > > > >go easy and well, except that you end up
> with
> > > > some areas of stain largely
> > > > > > >removed and some areas remaining,
> resulting in
> > > > a blotchy appearance. I
> > > > > > >have sanded, and that helps a little, but
> it is
> > > > still blotchy and sanding
> > > > > > >is tough because the sandpaper just loads
> up in
> > > > three seconds flat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >My guess is that when I re-stain (will be
> going
> > > > with a similar color)
> > > > > some
> > > > > > >blotchyness will remain. Using chemical
> > > > strippers in the past has yielded
> > > > > > >fairly even-colored wood to work with -
> so I
> > > > don't really know what will
> > > > > > >happen if the blotchy color is stained.
> Anyone
> > > > with any experience with
> > > > > > >this? Recommendations? Thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Terry Farrell
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >_______________________________________________
> > > > > > >pianotech list info:
> > > > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg Newell
> > > > > > mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
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> > > > Greg Newell
> > > > mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net
> > > > >
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