Refinishing - Stripping & Stain Uneveness

[gordon stelter]

No, water-soluble aniline dyes certainly are still
available, and they provide a cleaner looking finish
job than pigment stains. RIT clothing dyes are water
soluble aniline types. But look at the Highland
Hardware site for a good selection, specifically for
wood.
     The filler I used was a typical Walnut ( dark
brown) filler, aliphatic hydrocarbon solvent (mineral
spirits) from my local paint store. 
     Using these, and instructions from Flexner's
book, I just completed the prettiest finish I have
ever seen on apiano. Much nicer than "Factory Work",
as all factories today are far too interested in
actual profit, for this relatively time consuming
task.
     Thump

--- Greg Newell <gnewell@ameritech.net> wrote:
> 
> Gordon,
>          As I understand it the Stain is more color
> fast as it is more like 
> paint. Thicker and heavier than die and less likely
> to penetrate into the 
> wood pores that die. Die can easily be bleached by
> the sun's rays etc.
>          You use the term "water-soluble aniline
> dyes" which is a bit 
> contradictory in my understanding. Analine die's are
> not water based as far 
> as I know and water based dies are not analine.
> Analine is a poison that I 
> believe is actually no longer used even in products
> calling themselves 
> analine dies.
>          Where do you get this filler of which you
> speak and is it water based?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:27 PM 4/28/2003, you wrote:
> 
> >I meant a  dye coat first. I am a tad perplexed by
> >Arthur Grudco's allegation that pigment stains are
> >more fade resistant than aniline dyes, as I thought
> it
> >was actually the other way around. At least with
> >water-soluble aniline dyes, which is what I
> recommend.
> >They are, I believe, more fade resistant than your
> >typical oil-based pigment-stain . (i.e. "Minwax").
> >      And, yes, you MUST be sure that your
> filler-coat
> >is darker than the surrounding stained wood,
> >(unless you want a "novelty" finish)!
> >      AND IGNORE WHAT IT SAYS ON THE CAN!!! The
> last
> >"Mahogany" filler I bought was the color of pencil
> >erasers!  and NO amount of Universal Tint fixed it.
> >But "Walnut" filler, on a thin sealer coat, over a
> >mahogany dye stain was PERFECT ( For a mahogany
> piano!
> >      Thump
> >
> >
> >         I will have to try this. Something about
> > > this is puzzling to me
> > > > though. If the paste wood filler is applied
> after
> > > the sealer and before a
> > > > top coat what are you doing about the color of
> the
> > > filler?
> > > >
> > > > Greg Newell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S. did you mean stain first or die first?
> Stain
> > > is more like paint in
> > > > that it sits on top while die penetrates the
> wood
> > > to a much higher degree.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 02:27 PM 4/28/2003, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >You should apply the stain first, then a thin
> > > sealer
> > > > >coat of finish, and then sand off raised
> > > whiskers...
> > > > >LIGHTLY!!!!.( 320 grit wet or dry ) And THEN
> > > apply the
> > > > >paste wood filler! AND THEN topcoat.  This
> > > schedule
> > > > >will provide a MUCH, MUCH cleaner looking
> > > piano!!!
> > > > >      Thump
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Greg Newell <gnewell@ameritech.net>
> wrote:
> > > > > > Terry,
> > > > > >          Rockler Woodworking and Hardware
> has
> > > a
> > > > > > product called Wunderfil
> > > > > > which is just your basic wood paste
> filler.
> > > I've not
> > > > > > been too crazy about
> > > > > > it for it's tendency to lift out ( minor
> > > amounts)
> > > > > > when you are brushing on
> > > > > > the water based die and or stain. I'm
> > > think9ing of
> > > > > > switching to alcohol
> > > > > > based so that the filler stays put when I
> > > re-wet
> > > > > > with the die or stain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 08:52 AM 4/27/2003, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi Greg. What are you filling grain with?
> I
> > > have
> > > > > > always used
> > > > > > >marine-oriented filler/stain in the past.
> I
> > > am
> > > > > > interested in going
> > > > > > >water-based just to cut down the fumes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Terry Farrell
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "Greg Newell"
> <gnewell@ameritech.net>
> > > > > > >To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 3:57 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Refinishing - Stripping &
> Stain
> > > > > > Uneveness
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Terry,
> > > > > > > >          You can stain, sure, but
> start
> > > with an
> > > > > > anneline or a water based
> > > > > > > > dye first. That will help make the
> color
> > > much
> > > > > > more even.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 03:23 PM 4/26/2003, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Refinishing question. I started
> stripping
> > > a
> > > > > > piano - the typical reddish
> > > > > > > > >stained mahogany. The finish was
> > > original. I
> > > > > > have always used chemical
> > > > > > > > >strippers before but I am trying
> scraping
> > > this
> > > > > > time. The scraping
> > > > > > > seems to
> > > > > > > > >go easy and well, except that you end
> up
> > > with
> > > > > > some areas of stain largely
> > > > > > > > >removed and some areas remaining,
> > > resulting in
> > > > > > a blotchy appearance. I
> > > > > > > > >have sanded, and that helps a little,
> but
> > > it is
> > > > > > still blotchy and sanding
> > > > > > > > >is tough because the sandpaper just
> loads
> > > up in
> > > > > > three seconds flat.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >My guess is that when I re-stain
> (will be
> > > going
> > > > > > with a similar color)
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > >blotchyness will remain. Using
> chemical
> > > > > > strippers in the past has yielded
> > > > > > > > >fairly even-colored wood to work with
> -
> > > so I
> > > > > > don't really know what will
> > > > > > > > >happen if the blotchy color is
> stained.
> > > Anyone
> > > > > > with any experience with
> > > > > > > > >this? Recommendations? Thanks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Terry Farrell
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
> 
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