This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Gentlemen: I've been following this thread for a while and the physics is getting a = little fast and loose, though quite interesting! First of all, the kinetic energy of the hammer will not all be = transmitted to the string. In fact only a small portion will be. When = you bounce a ball on the ground all of the balls energy is not = transmitted to the ground. The hammer will bounce back, retaining much = of its energy, which is subsequently dissipated into the back check. = For it to have transmitted all of its energy it would have to come to a = dead stop on the string and fall back naturally with gravity only, which = is not the case. Secondly, all that matters is the angular velocity of the hammer when it = is released by the mechanism to travel freely. Albeit this is only for = a small distance, it still is no longer under the influence of any = outside force by the time it reaches the string(s). So its kinetic = energy (or, what is more useful in this case, its momentum) is = preordained by the time it strikes the string. No matter how its = angular velocity is arrived at through the complex motions of the = action, it is all that matters once the hammer is free. Think of it = like the muzzle velocity of a gun: though very complex things go on in = the barrel of the gun, the whole thing becomes a relatively simple = ballistics problem once it leaves the muzzle. Angular velocity is = everything here. Thirdly, the dynamic motion of the hammer has been described herein as a = linear problem, which it is not. The kinetic energy of the hammer is = not half the mass multiplied by the square of the velocity. It would be = half the moment of inertia (mass moment of inertia) of the hammer and = shank multiplied by the square of the angular velocity (in radians per = second). The difference between this quantity right before the string = is contacted minus the quantity after it leaves the string (neglecting = gravity) is the total loss of energy. Some goes into vibrating the = string and some goes into deforming the felt, etc. (mostly dissipated as = heat). Ostensibly this is proportionate to the energy of the hammer = before impact. =20 Thus the energy added to the vibrating string(s) is only reliant upon = the hammer's angular velocity...period. Don A. Gilmore Mechanical Engineer ----Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Davidson=20 To: Pianotech=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Key Inertia John Hartmann wrote: >The points are: >1) The only force that gets transferred to the string is that portion = of=20 >the force applied at the key that works to accelerate the hammer and = shank. Agree. But note that not all of the hammer's energy is transferred to = the string. The hammer bounces off and is still moving, so it still has = energy, which is also wasted. But I think you mean that none of the key = or wippen energy makes it to the string, with which I agree. >2) The portion of the force applied to the key used to accelerate the = >key and wippen do not go into into the string but are wasted. Agree. >3) Removing mass from the key and wippen will make the action more=20 >efficient. Hmm. Starts to get fuzzy here. If you keep the same speed, so less = energy is wasted, then I agree. But if you remove mass and play the key = with the same force, you will have more speed, not the same speed. >4) Given our ideal action with no bending and friction losses = changing=20 >the hammer mass does not effect the efficiency of the action. Same problem as 3. If you don't change the mass of hammer and wippen, = and keep the same key speed, you will waste the same amount of energy. = But again, if you add mass to the hammer and keep the same force on the = key, you will have less acceleration, less speed, less key/wippen energy = wasted. So I guess I agree with 1 and 2, but for 3 and 4 we need to define = "efficiency" before we can talk about whether it stays the same or not. -Mark ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/9c/59/79/95/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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