This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment << It's interesting to see how instruments differ or are the same. Many techs., use violin = bridge fundamentals to compare them to how piano bridges might work. ? ? ? Some time ago, there was a question whether guitars, violins were tuned = to ET. ? ? ?>> Yes, both these were discussed last year. But to add another 2 = cents, violin bridge principals apply only in a very general sense. = The piano bridge is like a long, curved 2" x 2", whereas the violin = bridge is shaped somewhat like a flat, skinny, headless person standing = bow-legged with hands almost on hips, but not touching. The two legs = stand on a resonating surface which serves as the violin's "soundboard", = I suppose, but the whole body of the violin is a resonating chamber to a = much greater extent than the piano. That is, if the sides and back of = the violin were removed, it would sound quite different, whereas when = the front and bottom panels of an upright piano are removed or the lid = is opened or closed on a grand, the main effect is a difference in = volume, not tone. Also the top of the violin is carved from one piece = of wood, not made of butted boards glued together and then forced into a = crowned unit. The violin bridge is not glued to the top. It's got only = 4 strings on it, at quite a low tension compared to piano strings. And = then the strings are bowed and occasionally plucked, not hit with felt = hammers.=20 =20 And as for other instruments being tuned it E.T., nobody concerns = themselves with it except perhaps harpists and harpsichordists. Almost = all the other instruments tune to one note, either A in orchestra or B = flat in band. =20 The intonation of the other notes is dependent on the player's = skill, ear training, sense of pitch, and experience. The construction of = the instrument makes most of the other notes come out "pretty close" if = the open note was tuned correctly, which makes a junior high band's = attempt at music still recognizable as such, even if the intonation has = quite a wide range. But an advanced musician, even with an inferior = instrument, plays better in tune. String players have to tune three other strings to the first one, = but most are taught to tune pure-sounding fifths. They just play two = adjacent strings together and tune them til the fifth doesn't beat. = They don't bother with 3 beats in 5 seconds or whatever. To fine-tune, = they'll tune the 2nd partial of the higher string beatless with the 3rd = partial of the lower string, using harmonics, but the inharmonicity is = nowhere near that of pianos. Intonation of all the other notes is = dependent on one's ear and where one puts the fingers down on the = fingerboard! Guitarists, mandolinists, etc. have it a little easier once the = instrument is tuned, since the frets pretty much determine the pitch of = a given note. Beginning guitarists used to memorize a "My dog has = fleas" pattern of notes in successive fourths, kind of like memorizing = the "N-B-C" series of tones (but that was a Major 6th followed by a = Major 3rd), but that would get them only so close, plus there was a = Major third involved (the G and B strings). The rest has to be tuned = by hearing pure fourths and making the one Major third unobjectionable, = then trying various chords to look for any strings that are "out of = bounds," and making adjustments. =20 But now most of them just go out and buy an electronic tuner. (And = if they own a piano, will use it when you're done tuning, to check your = work, not knowing anything about octave stretch or inharmonicity). But = many of them also use partials, or harmonics (which are almost the same = thing on low-tension strings) to compare one string with another and = fine-tune. E.T. comes into play a tiny bit but large errors are not as = glaring as on a piano. =20 But on the harp, there are many strings to tune and most harpists = tune their own instrument, setting a temperament and tuning octaves from = it. I don't know the exact sequence, but they're probably the only ones = of all orchestral players who are concerning themselves with anything = resembling a temperament, equal or otherwise. I've tuned in school band rooms and have gone over to the marimba or = vibes or large xylophone (actually "metallophone", since it's metal, not = wood ("Xylo" is Greek for wood; the marimba is really the "xylo"-phone) = to see if they're tuned in equal temperament. I can't tell -- either = they don't sustain long enough or there's no inharmonicity or the = partials aren't strong enough to hear beating thirds, sixths, etc. I = think I did hear the thirds beat on a vibraphone once, but would have to = try it again to be sure. =20 Woops, that was more like 200 cents. --David Nereson, RPT, Denver ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/0b/6c/09/67/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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