Amen Dean! I wish more people thought this way!!!!! Best, Greg At 10:43 AM 12/23/2004, you wrote: > >>On the other hand, if you work for XYZ Cabinet Company, which has saws >unequipped with this safety device, and you zip off four fingers on your >left hand, you will be going on disability. Then we as a society shoulder >the expense for XYZ's cost-cutting measures. I bet that sort of stuph costs >me thousands of dollars each year, so I take it rather personally > > >Then that is what we should fight against. There is where the real injustice >lay, forcing people to shoulder the expense of other people's carelessness/ >problems. If I voluntarily wish to help my neighbor who had his fingers >chopped off, it is charity. If the sheriff comes with a shotgun to take up a >collection, it is theft. > >A family with 6 children in a nearby town tragically just lost everything in >a fire, house, clothes, possessions, one 9 year old boy, and another sibling >in the hospital not expected to live. The outpouring from the community has >been off the charts, they actually had to stop accepting clothes and >material goods because there was no place to put them. Several contractors >have already agreed to donate their labor to rebuild the house. Thousands of >dollars have been given to a special account at the local bank. A car dealer >loaned them a car so they could make the 100-mile commute to visit the child >in intensive care. FEMA was not called in and no forced theft by government >agents was required. God gets the glory and people feel good that they were >able to help, not resentful that they were forced to help. When we are >allowed to voluntarily help people our humanity is enhanced. > > >Dean >Dean May cell 812.239.3359 >PianoRebuilders.com 812.235.5272 >Terre Haute IN 47802 > >-----Original Message----- >From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf >Of Sarah Fox >Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 12:20 AM >To: Pianotech >Subject: Re: SawStop safety table saw > >Hi Greg, > >OK, true, I agree that we should all have the right to take our own risks >however we feel appropriate, making decisions as adults, so long as those >decisions don't impact others. (Geesh, I could talk about quite a few >things the gubuhment prevents me from doing, just because the good folx of >this country think they're unusual. The linguistic importance of "defining" >this and that comes to mind.) I do agree that the government often >oversteps its bounds. > >. But I >agree that if you risk chopping off your own fingers on your own time at >your own expense (no insurance, Medicare, govt-subsidized hospitals, >tax-paid ambulances, etc) , and with no risk that I'll be paying your your >upkeep, either through my high taxes or through my high insurance premiums, >then who am I to complain? None of the gubuhment's business! > >I truly believe, however, that most matters of government regulation derives >from the belief that people's carelessness, stupidity, etc., would otherwise >become a burden to the American taxpayer. Beyond that, I doubt anyone in >Washington gives a fig what happens to any of us -- except perhaps when it >comes to preventing perceived abominations of linguistics! ;-) > >Peace, >Sarah > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg Newell" <gnewell@ameritech.net> >To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> >Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:04 PM >Subject: Re: SawStop safety table saw > > > > > > Sarah, > > I completely understand your point but what you might be missing > > is that it should not be crammed down other peoples throats just because > > someone seems to have found what THEY consider to be a better way. In fact > > I think that any of the safety equipment that you've mentioned should be > > OPTIONAL not mandatory. This is just one more example of someone assuming > > they know what's best for everyone else and working to pass laws to MAKE > > you conform to their views. I call that meddling in other peoples > > business. There are many things in life that are considered acceptable > > risk. If I walk in my suburb and cross the street I might get hit by a > > bus. I still choose to cross as I deem it an acceptable risk. We drive on > > wet or snowy roads when the danger of fender benders or a serious accident > > is a very real risk and yet we drive. Life is full of inherent dangers. It > > always will be. Not every better way should be legislated and mandatory is > > my point. If I pose no danger to you why should you tell me what I HAVE to > > do? You can preach all day why I should but you should never tell me I > > MUST. > > > > > > > > At 10:33 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote: > >>Hi Greg, > >> > >>My dad was an architect, so I've been around the construction for a huge > >>chunk of my life. I've known a few VERY careful professionals who have > >>removed parts of their bodies, including a very good friend, who chopped > >>her left index finger off with a miter saw. All it takes is a bit of > >>fatigue and a fleeting moment of inattention. While I, too, squirm at the > >>thought of more government regulations, I'm also baffled at why people > >>don't WANT or even DEMAND these sorts of safety features on their > >>equipment! They're similar to the folks who drive without seat belts and > >>leave loaded, unlocked guns around for their kids to play with. They > >>think that accidents always happen to OTHER people. > >> > >>When groaning about the added cost of safety equipment, don't forget to > >>weigh that cost against the cost of reattachment surgery, down-time, and > >>impaired functionality. What's the real cost? What is the fraction of > >>people you know, of your skill level and attention to safety, who have > >>de-fingered themselves? Multiply that fraction by ten or twenty thousand > >>(or much more) dollars. That's your estimated lifetime cost of finger > >>loss, on average, thinking like a gambler. Now compare that cost against > >>the cost of the equipment. > >> > >>And that's just dollars and cents. How much are your fingers really worth > >>to you? Much more than the cost of reattachment surgery? (Mine are.) > >> > >>I applaud the technology -- "air bags" for power tools. You can bet that > >>my next table saw will have one, provided it's available. > >> > >>Peace, > >>Sarah > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Newell" <gnewell@ameritech.net> > >>To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> > >>Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:51 PM > >>Subject: Re: SawStop safety table saw > >> > >> > >>>Not only that Cy and Ron but the first I heard of this unit, the inventor > >>>was pushing to get this as a mandatory thing for all saws sold. Trying to > >>>work himself into guaranteed profits it sounds like. Besides even the > >>>unseemliness of that do we really need one more level of government > >>>involved demanding that we have safeguards on our equipment? When will we > >>>learn? Some things are just inherently dangerous. Can't we just > >>>understand that and exercise caution without something more being > >>>demanded of us? This item would certainly cost more and break down on > >>>occasion. I, for one, am not willing to undergo more expense for > >>>someone's careless behavior that cost them a finger. Why punish everyone > >>>for something like that? As an add on? Fine! As mandatory? I'm against it > >>>%1000. > >>> > >>>my 2 cents > >>> > >>>Greg Newell > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>At 03:27 PM 12/22/2004, you wrote: > >>> > >>>>>Ron, why wouldn't professional woodworkers like it? What are the > >>>>>downsides, besides the initial expense? (Assuming you don't trigger > >>>>>the safety device a few times a day...) > >>>>> > >>>>>--Cy Shuster-- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Hi Cy, > >>>>Typically, the first thing the professional does is take off all the > >>>>OSHA approved guards and toss them in the shed. They tend to want to be > >>>>able to see the blade so they know where their hands are in relation to > >>>>it. In this case, the brake doesn't create a hazard by hiding the blade, > >>>>but it adds extra cost for magic that looks altogether too good to be > >>>>believable. Professionals tend to get hurt on table saws by kick-backs > >>>>while sawing something. Can this braking system tell the difference > >>>>between cutting a piece of maple and cutting a piece of maple AND a > >>>>couple of fingers? Seems like that's asking a lot, especially to a > >>>>professional who has spent a lot of years experiencing the limitations > >>>>as well as the capabilities of machinery. It supposedly can, but how far > >>>>can it be trusted, what kind of maintenance is required, does it reset > >>>>automatically, and do you have to risk an occasional hot dog to verify > >>>>that it is still working? Electronic ignitions come to mind. I've spent > >>>>thousands of dollars through the years having electronic ignition > >>>>systems on furnaces and cars repaired (replaced, actually), when I could > >>>>have fixed something with a standing pilot or gapped points easily, > >>>>cheaply, and quickly myself. Does it affect changing blades quickly and > >>>>easily? Maybe I'm wrong, but professionals I've known want simple sturdy > >>>>precise indestructible machinery that doesn't get in their way, or > >>>>depend on something they can't see to work. Ah, that's another thing I > >>>>didn't read. Will a saw thus equipped still work if the sensor dies, or > >>>>is there a "dead man" switch that shuts down the power? Is it > >>>>self-diagnostic? Can replacement parts be gotten for self-maintenance, > >>>>or is the saw down until it can go in to the service center for > >>>>authorized, and presumably expensive, repair? None of this would look > >>>>awfully good to the professional. Is there a site that has some detailed > >>>>practical information? > >>>> > >>>>Ron N > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > >>> > >>>Greg Newell > >>>Greg's piano Forté > >>>mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > >>> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > Greg Newell > > Greg's piano Forté > > mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > >_______________________________________________ >pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives Greg Newell Greg's piano Forté mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net
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