> Try making a tuner's knot with a piece of rope, making sure you tie it > just like us tuners do it, and then try to pull it apart. Let me know > what you discover. > > Playfully, > Tom Cole Long ago and far away, I found that it doesn't work worth a damn with rope, but tie the knot with something of openanartery stiffness, and it works very well. It is, incidentally, a thief's knot. Ron N
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