Aural Skills & Machine Thrills was Aural tuning- 300 cents flat

[Horace Greeley]

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Hi, Alan,

At 12:19 PM 2/26/2005, you wrote:

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>Bottom line: I think the machine tuner and the aural tuner can produce=20
>equally solid results. But the machine person also needs a pretty good set=
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>of listening skills to go along with his or her little helper.

I couldn't agree more.

>Now, about you Neanderthals still using a C fork ...  (Just kidding, just=
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>kidding)

(scratch, scratch, yawn yawn...)...Whazzat, y'say?...Oh, yeah...it's still=
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winter...no thinking allowed..

Cheers!

Horace

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>Alan R. Barnard
>Salem, MO
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>From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On=20
>Behalf Of antares
>Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:25 PM
>To: Pianotech
>Subject: Re: Aural tuning- 300 cents flat
>
>
>On 26-feb-05, at 20:34, Fenton Murray wrote:
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>"And, if you tune aurally with=20
>nothing but a 440 fork to relate =3D<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>to, what do you do when you find=20
>yourself way below 440 and the pitch =3D<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>is shiftng as you=20
>tune?"<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I take this question as rhetorical,=20
>but, with all due respect I believe it shows a lack of understanding of=20
>the skills of one who has tuned aurally for 30 years. To accomplish a=20
>pitch raise aurally there are perhaps 100's of split second decisions made=
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>on the fly, sort of like a computer, only in that most incredible computer=
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>of all, the mind.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>"Hop aboard year 2005 and get=20
>yourself a Cybertuner with the =3D<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>great pitch raise=20
>feature.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Counting beats with a piano like=20
>this... is "Neanderthal tuning =3D<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>in the=20
>extreme".<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Hmm, I wish I wouldn't see this kind=
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>of talk on here. There is more than one way to achieve your goal, we need=
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>to respect them all, I certainly respect what you're doing and appreciate=
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>the opportunity for dialog.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Respectfully,<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Fenton Murray,=20
>RPT<?/smaller><?/fontfamily>
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><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param=20
>0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>www.MurraysPianoTuning.com<?/smaller><?/color><?sm=
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>On the other hand, what are we actually taking about?
>We are talking about a pitch raise on an older instrument.
>If you do a pitch raise on an older instrument with new strings, you can=20
>accomplish this in maybe 15 minutes.
>If it is an older instrument, you have to be very careful and make da=20
>choice to what pitch you dare to tune the piano.
>The speed of the pitch raise remains the same, the final pitch may be=20
>different.
>Pitch raise is pitch raise, and any professional should be able to do this=
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>certainly within 30 minutes.
>The second tuning may take another 30 minutes, and the final tuning may=20
>take you 45 minutes.
>So all in all, every professional tuner should be able to do a giant pitch=
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>raise within 2 hours, and with a convincing result.
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>And I mean just aurally, ok?
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>
>friendly greetings
>from
>Andr=E9 Oorebeek
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>www.concertpianoservice.nl
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>"Where music is no harm can be"
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