Aural Skills & Machine Thrills was Aural tuning- 300 cents flat

[Alan]

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I can tune a piano aurally pretty well. Takes awhile, but I can do it. I
made myself learn for four reasons:
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1. You gotta have the basics to pass RPT, anyway
2. I have, on occasion, found myself an hour from my ETD (oops).
3. Aural checks, especially across the break, allow for better-tweeked
transisitions on some pianos.
4. It is really helpful, even in a full-ETD mode, to know the science =
and
the art of the process, even if the computer is helping me hear and =
think.
The piano is, after all, an aural device.
5. It's just a really cool skill to possess.
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I still marvel at two things: How incredibly accurate aural tuning can =
be
and how quickly and skillfully pure aural tuners can do their thing.
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On the other hand, the machines do make life easier for pitch =
corrections,
diagnosing strings and other problems, noisy environments,
late-in-the-day-my-ears-are-pooped tunings, and, for newbies, a chance =
to
make some money when one hasn't had opportunity to tune a couple hundred
pianos for free and/or attend a tuning school and/or have a mentor to =
work
with.=20
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Bottom line: I think the machine tuner and the aural tuner can produce
equally solid results. But the machine person also needs a pretty good =
set
of listening skills to go along with his or her little helper.
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And THAT, dear friends, is my 2 cents worth. May we never fuss or fume,
belittle or presume.
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Now, about you Neanderthals still using a C fork ...  (Just kidding, =
just
kidding)
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Alan R. Barnard
Salem, MO

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Of antares
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:25 PM
To: Pianotech
Subject: Re: Aural tuning- 300 cents flat=20



On 26-feb-05, at 20:34, Fenton Murray wrote:



"And, if you tune aurally with nothing but a 440 fork to relate =3D

to, what do you do when you find yourself way below 440 and the pitch =
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is shiftng as you tune?"

I take this question as rhetorical, but, with all due respect I believe =
it
shows a lack of understanding of the skills of one who has tuned aurally =
for
30 years. To accomplish a pitch raise aurally there are perhaps 100's of
split second decisions made on the fly, sort of like a computer, only in
that most incredible computer of all, the mind.
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"Hop aboard year 2005 and get yourself a Cybertuner with the =3D

great pitch raise feature.

Counting beats with a piano like this... is "Neanderthal tuning =3D

in the extreme".=20

Hmm, I wish I wouldn't see this kind of talk on here. There is more than =
one
way to achieve your goal, we need to respect them all, I certainly =
respect
what you're doing and appreciate the opportunity for dialog.=20

Respectfully,=20

Fenton Murray, RPT=20

www.MurraysPianoTuning.com=20






On the other hand, what are we actually taking about?
We are talking about a pitch raise on an older instrument.
If you do a pitch raise on an older instrument with new strings, you can
accomplish this in maybe 15 minutes.
If it is an older instrument, you have to be very careful and make da =
choice
to what pitch you dare to tune the piano.
The speed of the pitch raise remains the same, the final pitch may be
different.
Pitch raise is pitch raise, and any professional should be able to do =
this
certainly within 30 minutes.
The second tuning may take another 30 minutes, and the final tuning may =
take
you 45 minutes.
So all in all, every professional tuner should be able to do a giant =
pitch
raise within 2 hours, and with a convincing result.

And I mean just aurally, ok?


friendly greetings
from
Andr=E9 Oorebeek

www.concertpianoservice.nl

"Where music is no harm can be"





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