Censors??? - PTG-L?? The irony aboundeth

[David Skolnik]

Ric -

I am not familiar with any recent censorship issues, nor was I aware, until 
now, of a greater level of human oversight.  I sympathize with the concerns 
articulated in this and your previous post, as well as your instinct that 
this discussion requires an alternative forum, and yet, I'm not sure that 
PTG-L is it.  Pianotech has a bit of its own identity dilemma, paralleling 
somewhat that of PTG.  It started its life as a primordial CAUT, opened up 
to technicians and beyond.  It was not defined by the location of its 
server.  It was a guest at many, the most recent of which has been 
PTG.  Sort of a (theoretically) ecumenical service conducted within the PTG 
sanctuary.  Anyway, it does seem ironic that we would choose to resort to a 
truly official vehicle of the PTG, that is, ptg-l, in order to debate the 
policies of a site, presumably independent of both that list AND its 
parent.  It would seem to compound your concerns about liability 
exposure.  It seems that, before we can debate issues of regulation 
anywhere, the matter of list-ownership, or  at least, list-citizenship, 
needs to be clarified.  Maybe we need to form a list government :) First we 
need to revolt (or is it rebel? or secede?).  What happens next?  Ah yes, a 
constitution.

Regards -
David Skolnik


At 08:55 AM 9/7/2005 +0200, you wrote:

>Kent,
>
>I am not going to get to this beyond refuting the below and pointing out 
>that your use of  <<under normal circumstances>> in no way conflicts my 
>assertion. An assertion which I can easily enough document adequatly.
>
>That said, I have no problem perse with the basic idea of a moderated 
>list. But if the ECC is going to be allowed any such authorities at all, 
>then there should be an open clear discussion and approval by the 
>membership as to the nature of these.
>
>As I stated in my last, this all belongs on ptg-l and I will say no more 
>about it here.
>
>Cheers
>RicB
>
>
>On Sep 6, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Ric Brekne wrote:
>
>>/ the small group of ECC members can stop any post, piano related or
>/>/ not, they deem <<inflamatory>>.
>/
>Untrue. Under normal circumstances, posts flow automatically with no
>approval needed, so posts that pass the filters (screening for virus,
>junk, porn, etc.) cannot be stopped, inflammatory or not.
>
>
>
>It is true that we have and will again from time to time impose
>moderation after the fact. No apologies there.
>
>
>
>Kent
>
>
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