Pianotech Digest, Vol 1276, Issue 153

Kenny Finlayson kennyfin at jetstream.net
Sat Jul 15 22:00:28 MDT 2006


It ain't so.
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>   1. Re: 1918 NY SS-M question (A440A at aol.com)
>   2. Re: Bechstein Value (A440A at aol.com)
>   3. Oh, no .... say it ain't so! (Alan Barnard)
>   4. 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson) (Israel Stein )
>   5. Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! (pianotune05)
>   6. Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so! (Cy Shuster)
>   7. anyone willing to critique my proposal? (daniel carlton)
>   8. Re: anyone willing to critique my proposal? (J Patrick Draine)
>   9. Re: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson) (Gene Nelson)
>  10. One OT subject and One "on topic" (Brian Doepke)
>  11. Re: One OT subject and One "on topic" (Joe And Penny Goss)
>  12. One "on topic" (Robin Stevens)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:48:00 EDT
> From: A440A at aol.com
> Subject: Re: 1918 NY SS-M question
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Message-ID: <231.c847478.31d6cbe0 at aol.com>
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> Gene  writes:
>
> << I have replaced one SS back action with Renner Kit on an 1887 SS-B so I
> assume the back actions are similar. I recall that there was a very small 
> dowel
> about the size of a large tooth pick in the flange. (Was this used for 
> flange
> or spring retention?) My assumption is that if the flange glue joint is 
> broken
> the dowel will retain it and allow it to pivot as I have observed.
>
> Is it possible to repair these flanges? Is it possible to drill through 
> the
> flange into the rail and screw them into place? Is there a method to do 
> this to
> flanges that have glue joints that have not broken without breaking them?
>
> Regards, >>
>
> If the flanges have no verdegris,  why not simply reglue them with 
> Tite-bond?
> questionable flanges are easily popped loose with a sharp rap from a 
> hammer
> against a wooden drift.  I would suggest that you pull the tray and reglue
> every other flange, then when dry, crack the others and reglue them.  They 
> tend
> to have some glued on fibers left on each part and index exactly back to 
> where
> they were originally.
> Good luck,
>
> Ed Foote RPT
> http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html
> www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:49:14 EDT
> From: A440A at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Bechstein Value
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Message-ID: <437.37b34e7.31d6cc2a at aol.com>
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> Paul writes:
> << Bechstein Model "M" Grand
> Six Foot
> Manufactured in 1972 (S.N. 164270)
> Black Poly Finish- perfect condition
> Ivory Keys- perfect condition
> Needs only tuning and minor regulation, with some light hammer shaping.
>
> This is a dandy sounding piano in great condition.
>
> What would your considered opinion be as to a fair asking price? >>
>
> $  25,000 around here, but the market does vary quite a bit from locality 
> to
> locality.
>
> Ed Foote RPT
> http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html
> www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:13:03 -0500
> From: "Alan Barnard" <tune4u at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Oh, no .... say it ain't so!
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID: <380-22006653019133278 at earthlink.net>
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> The self-tuning piano; hot strings and high hopes. Check it out at 
> http://www.qrsmusic.com/Press/pr02032501.htm
>
> Alan Barnard
> Salem, Missouri
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:11:21 +0000
> From: custos3 at comcast.net (Israel Stein )
> Subject: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson)
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
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> On Fri Jun 30 11:01:38 2006  Gene Nelson wrote:
>
>>Some of the lift levers will pivot from left to right suggesting that the 
>>flanges have
>> broken glue joints (loose screws if screwed but I could not see back 
>> there)
>
> In 1918 Steinway underlever flanges were glued - not screwed. So yes, you 
> most likely have broken glue joints there. Back in Boston that was a 
> chronic condition with Steinway grands of a certain age...
>
>>Is it possible to repair these flanges? Is it possible to drill through 
>>the flange into
>> the rail and screw them into place? Is there a method to do this to 
>> flanges that
>> have glue joints that have not broken without breaking them?
>
> Yes, Gene, back in Boston that was standard procedure whenever a Steinway 
> with glued underlever flanges was restrung - whether loose or not (they 
> were going to get loose sooner or later - you can count on it in that 
> climate). The cost was built into any stringing job...
>
> Pull the back action, move the underlever springs out of the way. Use 4 x 
> 3/4 flathead screws. Drill a large/small screwhole (large enough through 
> the flange so the screw moves freely through it, small into the rail) and 
> countersink. Screw down every one of those flanges - whether the glue 
> joint broke or not. Put the springs back in place.
>
> Israel Stein
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:33:50 -0500
> From: "pianotune05" <pianotune05 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so!
> To: <tune4u at earthlink.net>, "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID: <40d101c69c7c$1d9c0600$4db9b143 at eva12marshal0g>
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> I've seen a self cleaning oven, but a self tuning piano?  I wish my 11 
> month old was self cleanng and tuning. ;)
> Marshall
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Alan Barnard
>  To: Pianotech List
>  Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:13 PM
>  Subject: Oh, no .... say it ain't so!
>
>
>  The self-tuning piano; hot strings and high hopes. Check it out at 
> http://www.qrsmusic.com/Press/pr02032501.htm
>
>  Alan Barnard
>  Salem, Missouri
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:46:54 -0600
> From: "Cy Shuster" <cy at shusterpiano.com>
> Subject: Re: Oh, no .... say it ain't so!
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
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> Old news...    Latest I heard from him is that he was working with another 
> manufacturer, since QRS was stalling on it.
>
> --Cy--
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:28:49 -0500
> From: daniel carlton <hacicspe at gmail.com>
> Subject: anyone willing to critique my proposal?
> To: caut at ptg.org, pianotech at ptg.org
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> if anyone would be willing to critique my proposal, let me know.
>
> daniel carlton
> hacicspe at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:50:30 -0400
> From: "J Patrick Draine" <jpdraine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: anyone willing to critique my proposal?
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID:
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> I suspect that this subject was covered thoroughly in Bill Schull and
> Chris Solliday's CAUT clas  on contract service for colleges. I didn't
> attend it -- far too many equally awesome classes going on at the same
> time!
> I suggest you contact Bill &/or Chris -- their phones numbers (and
> doubtless email addresses) are in the PTG Directory. I assume you have
> a copy of the CAUT Guidelines  -- a pdf is available on the PTG
> website if you don't have a hard copy.
> Good luck!
> Patrick Draine
>
> On 6/30/06, daniel carlton <hacicspe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> if anyone would be willing to critique my proposal, let me know.
>>
>> daniel carlton
>> hacicspe at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:21:22 -0700
> From: "Gene Nelson" <nelsong at pbic.net>
> Subject: Re: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson)
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID: <000701c69cac$ac9d3650$59f39341 at DB0Q5F61>
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>
> Thank you Ed and Israel,
> I suppose that if I see virtigris at the flanges it is time for new parts.
> If not then you have given me some good information so that I can make
> repairs.
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Israel Stein " <custos3 at comcast.net>
> To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:11 PM
> Subject: 1918 NY SS-M question (Gene Nelson)
>
>
>> On Fri Jun 30 11:01:38 2006  Gene Nelson wrote:
>>
>>>Some of the lift levers will pivot from left to right suggesting that the
>>>flanges have
>>> broken glue joints (loose screws if screwed but I could not see back
>>> there)
>>
>> In 1918 Steinway underlever flanges were glued - not screwed. So yes, you
>> most likely have broken glue joints there. Back in Boston that was a
>> chronic condition with Steinway grands of a certain age...
>>
>>>Is it possible to repair these flanges? Is it possible to drill through
>>>the flange into
>>> the rail and screw them into place? Is there a method to do this to
>>> flanges that
>>> have glue joints that have not broken without breaking them?
>>
>> Yes, Gene, back in Boston that was standard procedure whenever a Steinway
>> with glued underlever flanges was restrung - whether loose or not (they
>> were going to get loose sooner or later - you can count on it in that
>> climate). The cost was built into any stringing job...
>>
>> Pull the back action, move the underlever springs out of the way. Use 4 x
>> 3/4 flathead screws. Drill a large/small screwhole (large enough through
>> the flange so the screw moves freely through it, small into the rail) and
>> countersink. Screw down every one of those flanges - whether the glue
>> joint broke or not. Put the springs back in place.
>>
>> Israel Stein
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:20:55 -0400
> From: "Brian Doepke" <doepkeb at comcast.net>
> Subject: One OT subject and One "on topic"
> To: "'Pianotech List'" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID: <200607010220.k612Kmjb010323 at ptg.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I had to laugh out loud when I read the last names of the first 2 tunings
> today. ( I just list the customers last names)  My first 2 clients last
> names today were ( I am not kidding)  Brake, Wind.
>
> Ok, more seriously.  I received a call from a woman who said that 70% of 
> the
> keys of her grandmothers recently moved upright piano were already down.in
> the position achieved after a normal key stroke.and would not work.
>
> she said "upright" .but that could be anything from a spinet to an old,
> tall upright.  Who knows!!
>
> Anyway, I have dealt with jammed keys in a recently moved grand, but not 
> in
> a vertical.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on what this might be?? (naturally I told her
> that I needed to actually see the piano and really could not even guess on
> what was causing the situation, or even how much it would cost to get them
> working again)
>
> Brian P. Doepke
> AAA Piano Works, Inc.
> Piano Tuning-Repair-Purchase Consults
> 260-432-2043
> 260-417-1298
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:37:39 -0600
> From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr at srvinet.com>
> Subject: Re: One OT subject and One "on topic"
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
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> Hi,
> Look for the key front board to be pushed in against the keys, with the 
> screws bent inward.
> Joe Goss RPT
> Mother Goose Tools
> imatunr at srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Brian Doepke
>  To: 'Pianotech List'
>  Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:20 PM
>  Subject: One OT subject and One "on topic"
>
>
>  I had to laugh out loud when I read the last names of the first 2 tunings 
> today. ( I just list the customers last names)  My first 2 clients last 
> names today were ( I am not kidding)  Brake, Wind.
>
>
>
>  Ok, more seriously.  I received a call from a woman who said that 70% of 
> the keys of her grandmothers recently moved upright piano were already 
> down.in the position achieved after a normal key stroke.and would not 
> work.
>
>
>
>   she said "upright" .but that could be anything from a spinet to an old, 
> tall upright.  Who knows!!
>
>
>
>  Anyway, I have dealt with jammed keys in a recently moved grand, but not 
> in a vertical.
>
>
>
>  Does anyone have any ideas on what this might be?? (naturally I told her 
> that I needed to actually see the piano and really could not even guess on 
> what was causing the situation, or even how much it would cost to get them 
> working again)
>
>
>
>  Brian P. Doepke
>
>  AAA Piano Works, Inc.
>
>  Piano Tuning-Repair-Purchase Consults
>
>  260-432-2043
>
>  260-417-1298
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 12:24:20 +0930 (Cen. Australia Standard Time)
> From: "Robin Stevens" <pianoman at westnet.com.au>
> Subject: One "on topic"
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
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> Brian, the likely causes are either growing leads or mice droppings 
> between
> the keys. Also the piano might have been exposed to excessive amount of
> water or moisture.
> Or, maybe the carriers had the Fall up and strapped over the top and 
> jammed
> the front rail in.
> Loose front guide pins might have shifted with the traveling, But I put my
> money on the key leads having grown if the piano has not been played for a
> while and the jamming keys not noticed.
>
> Regards
> Robin
>
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Brian Doepke
> Date: 07/01/06 11:52:44
> To: 'Pianotech List'
> Subject: One OT subject and One "on topic"
>
> I had to laugh out loud when I read the last names of the first 2 tunings
> today. ( I just list the customers last names)  My first 2 clients last
> names today were ( I am not kidding)  Brake, Wind.
>
> Ok, more seriously.  I received a call from a woman who said that 70% of 
> the
> keys of her grandmothers recently moved upright piano were already down?in
> the position achieved after a normal key stroke?and would not work.
>
> she said ?upright? ?but that could be anything from a spinet to an old,
> tall upright.  Who knows!!
>
> Anyway, I have dealt with jammed keys in a recently moved grand, but not 
> in
> a vertical.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on what this might be?? (naturally I told her
> that I needed to actually see the piano and really could not even guess on
> what was causing the situation, or even how much it would cost to get them
> working again)
>
> Brian P. Doepke
> AAA Piano Works, Inc.
> Piano Tuning-Repair-Purchase Consults
> 260-432-2043
> 260-417-1298
>
>
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