Hi Mark, It is a good puzzler because it "tests" for three pieces of knowledge: 1. The definition of the "cent" 2. The understanding of the Doppler effect, and 3. A subtle hitch that happens when using cents instead of Hertz with the Doppler formula Item three may be what Robert was trying to bring up for discussion. When we use the Doppler formula with frequencies given in Hz, for constant bicycle velocity the pitch is sharp by the same number of Hertz when approaching as it is flat when retreating from the ice cream truck. However - as you mentioned in a previous post - when working in cents there is a slight difference in velocity between approaching and retreating, since we have the rule that the sharp/flat amount is +/- 10 cents. In fact, in our puzzler there is a 0.579% difference in speed between approach and retreat. That's about 41.7 m/hr difference. So he did actually experience a sort of a sudden but small "ice cream pull" as he passed. I jokingly said "he didn't even slow down" - not true, he did! Here is all the math needed for the puzzler: f'=frequency heard by moving Robert (Hz) f=frequency emitted by ice cream truck (Hz) v=bicycle speed (positive for approaching, negative for retreating) c=speed of sound, about 345 m/sec f'=f(1+v/c) (Doppler's formula) You can rearrange this: f'/f=1+v/c Note now that f'/f is equal to our ratio of 1.00579 (10 cents), or 2^(1/120) Vladan ======================================== Mark wrote: Thanks for your thorough explanation. This puzzler continues to fascinate, in part because I feel close, but no cigar, to having enough math to figure it out myself. I do understand your point about 2^1/12 and 2^1/1200. Out of context, I knew that. Where I get into trouble is connecting a mathematical representation to a "real-world" problem. I appreciate your (and Amy Z's and John D's) abilities in that regard. Sorry it took me so long to reply. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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