v-bar/capo repair

David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net
Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:25:05 -0800


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Like Ron N. says, I think it's likely it has to do with the front duplex =
and
you may be able to shorten, detune and increase the deflection angle by
inserting some brass of appropriate dimension-at least you can =
experiment.
If it turns out that that's the problem, it's not that big a deal to =
remove
the strings from one section and insert the new counterbearing piece and
then replace the strings (the same ones you took off).  Unhook them from =
the
tuning pins slip in the brass or whatever and then reattach-if that =
proves
to be the problem.  I get brass of varying sizes from www.rjleahy.com
<http://www.rjleahy.com/> .  They will cut to a reasonable shipping =
size.  I
don't know the configuration of this piano but maybe you can send =
pictures
and some suggestions could be made by various people, I'm sure.  If the
noise disappeared originally by muting the front duplex, it is likely =
that
there is leakage occurring and that's what you should address.  =
Shortening
the section and increasing the deflection can do that.  You do want to =
be
sure that the angle and deflection work together.  The longer the duplex =
the
greater the deflection angle.  Similarly, a shorter duplex requires =
smaller
angle.=20

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David Love
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-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On =
Behalf
Of Barbara Richmond
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:51 PM
To: Pianotech List
Subject: Re: v-bar/capo repair

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Hi David,

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Well, I'm not sure if the capo hardness was ever right since the problem =
was
there before it was restrung, also.  The problem didn't surface until =
the
piano was a year old or so.  Then it took about the same amount of time =
for
the problem to surface after it was restrung.  It was the repetition of =
the
timing and the symptoms that got my attention.

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Thanks for the suggestions of inserting the brass half round or half =
oval.
I will try that.  BTW, what sort of establishment would carry those?

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Barbara Richmond

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From: David <mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net>  Love=20

To: 'Pianotech List' <mailto:pianotech@ptg.org> =20

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:33 PM

Subject: RE: v-bar/capo repair

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Are you sure it's a soft v-bar?  How much material did the stringer take
off?  Is it possible he actually filed through the hardened section?  =
How
long and what is the angle of the counterbearing section?  Is the
counterbearing area flat or sloped?  Can you manage to insert something =
to
increase the deflection angle and shorten and detune the segment?  You =
might
experiment by inserting a cut piece of brass half round or half oval
underneath this section to see if that doesn't help.  Have you looked at =
the
v bar with a mirror to examine its shape?  I would certainly try that =
before
considering torching the v bar. =20

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David Love
davidlovepianos@comcast.net=20

-----Original Message-----
From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On =
Behalf
Of ed440@mindspring.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:22 PM
To: Pianotech List
Subject: Re: v-bar/capo repair

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Did the rebuilder file it correctly?

Paul Revenko-Jones has a fine class on this. Maybe he could send you his
handout sheets.

You might also try moving the strike point on those notes.

Ed S.


-----Original Message-----=20
From: Barbara Richmond=20
Sent: Feb 28, 2006 6:13 PM=20
To: Pianotech=20
Subject: v-bar/capo repair=20

Howdy,

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Back to the 8' Seiler grand.  Sorry if I'm starting to sound like a =
broken
record.  Here's the story:  I serviced this piano when it was new.  Not =
long
into its life, it developed a noisy duplex at the low end of the treble
section.  I muted it off.  I tuned it for a few years, I moved away...

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I moved back.  In the meantime, the piano was restrung.  I started =
servicing
it again a year after it was delivered.  9 months into servicing it, the
noisy duplex returned in the exact same spot--but add another note.  I
freaked out (not in front of the customer), the customer freaked out, =
too
(not in front of me).  I contacted the rebuilder who said he filed the =
capo.
He and I came to the conclusion (whether we are correct or not) that it =
is a
case of soft cast iron.  I looked up hardening cast iron in the =
archives.
To do that would mean taking the plate out of the piano and that's not =
an
option.  I'm convinced if I refile the capo, the same thing is going to
happen again. =20

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I know there are some pianos that have some sort of rod installed at the
v-bar.  Is it possible to do the same with this piano at the capo?  Has
anyone done it?  Do you have detailed instructions?  Will someone hold =
my
hand?.....Please?

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Thanks,

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Barbara Richmond, RPT


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