Pianotech Digest, Vol 1275, Issue 56

Kenny Finlayson kennyfin at jetstream.net
Tue May 9 15:37:36 MDT 2006


The doctor told me the same thing;
- You'll never  become a Ballet Dancer!
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>   1. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (Fenton Murray)
>   2. stripping question (Lhadeh at wmconnect.com)
>   3. Re: finish stripper (pianolac at bestweb.net)
>   4. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (John Ross)
>   5. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (pianotune05)
>   6. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (Joe And Penny Goss)
>   7. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (pianotune05 at comcast.net)
>   8. Loss and Piano Tuning ( was: hearing etc.) (JBairdRPT at cs.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:53:24 -0700
> From: "Fenton Murray" <fmurray at cruzio.com>
> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
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> I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when it 
> came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again I'll show 
> it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming a ballet 
> dancer.
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: piannaman at aol.com
>  To: pianotech at ptg.org
>  Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>  Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>   I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and Hamlin 50 
> inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned every 6 months 
> like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the tuning hammer 
> slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in the 
> fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
> refinisher go out and make it right.
>
>  Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's getting 
> more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning along, thinking 
> how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop goes the weasel.  String 
> #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the becket!  So much for being ahead 
> of schedule...
>
>  Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I tied a 
> knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older piano.   But 
> since the piano is less than a year old, the string really needs to be 
> replaced.
>
>  So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that don't 
> seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>
>  Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>
>  Dave Stahl
>
>
>  Dave Stahl Piano Service
>  650-224-3560
>  dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>  http://dstahlpiano.net/
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:00:11 EDT
> From: Lhadeh at wmconnect.com
> Subject: stripping question
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Message-ID: <41c.73a372.3192087b at wmconnect.com>
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> My favorite method is using a heat gun and a stiff 1-1/2 inch putty knife. 
> I
> grind the business end of the putty knife in a slight arc and round the
> corners a bit to keep it from 'digging in'.  Then I file or grind the edge 
> at 90
> degrees to the flat of the knife and polish off all burrs.  The heat gun 
> is a
> yellow Harbor Freight special set on Low heat.
>
> When removing finish, keep the heat gun moving (to avoid burning the 
> finish
> being removed and the wood underneath).  I concentrate heat on the blade 
> of the
> knife as much as possible and let the knife bulldoze the finish off.
>
> The best time to strip is outside under a shed on a windy day with your 
> back
> to the wind.  If that can't be arranged, I use three 20-inch fans.  One 
> nearby
> pulling smoke away and two in windows to exhaust the smoke with the garage
> door open.
>
> I would suggest practice on a junk piano or piece of furniture first.  If 
> you
> do it right you get very little smoke.  If you watch the finish ahead of 
> the
> knife closely you will see it begin to crinkle slightly.  That is what you
> want.  If you heat it more, it will begin to bubble (boil).  That is OK 
> also, but
> you don't want to heat much more or it may flash and smoke.  If that 
> happens,
> quickly scrape off the smoking puddle to the ground and quench it with 
> your
> foot.  You don't want to leave it burning on the surface or it may darken 
> the
> wood.
>
> With a little practice you get it just right and can fairly quickly strip
> about 95 percent of the finish off.  But if you work too long, you get 
> tired,
> lose you concentration and create a lot of smoke.
>
> That's the method I use, but it is still a pain.  Just seems to be less 
> pain
> than other methods I've used, so far.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:24:32 EST
> From: pianolac at bestweb.net
> Subject: Re: finish stripper
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
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>>Are you still selling finish stripper ?
>>
>>Richard Brekne
>>Bergen, Norway
>>
> Yes, we sell Dyna 2, the biodegradeable, one step finish remover. Apply a
> 1/4" thick layer, wait a few hours or overnight, and the finish is removed
> down to the bare wood.  No methylene chloride, no bad smell, no HAZMAT
> shipping charges.  Works in one application.  Washes off with soap and
> water or alcohol.
>
> Arthur Grudko
> www.pianolac.com
> 845 855 0996
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:16:50 -0300
> From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID: <002b01c6737b$999ad2b0$6400a8c0 at Ross>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> 1 Broken nose, and two black eyes, from a tilter mishap. Strap it in place 
> now.
> 2 Toe broken in three places, when I wasn't careful about moving a piano, 
> with one hand, on a carpet, and the wheel didn't swivel, so it tipped.
> Caused me to be limping at the Dearborn convention. :-(
> Takes something like this to happen, say every 10 years, so we don't get 
> too complacent.
> John M. Ross
> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada.
> jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Fenton Murray
>  To: Pianotech List
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:53 AM
>  Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>  I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when it 
> came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again I'll show 
> it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming a ballet 
> dancer.
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>    From: piannaman at aol.com
>    To: pianotech at ptg.org
>    Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>    Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>     I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and Hamlin 
> 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned every 6 months 
> like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the tuning hammer 
> slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in the 
> fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
> refinisher go out and make it right.
>
>    Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning along, 
> thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop goes the 
> weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the becket!  So much 
> for being ahead of schedule...
>
>    Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I tied a 
> knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older piano.   But 
> since the piano is less than a year old, the string really needs to be 
> replaced.
>
>    So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that don't 
> seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>
>    Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>
>    Dave Stahl
>
>
>    Dave Stahl Piano Service
>    650-224-3560
>    dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>    http://dstahlpiano.net/
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:37:02 -0500
> From: "pianotune05" <pianotune05 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID: <012801c6737e$6b8500f0$1174b143 at eva12marshal0g>
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>
> I almost ruined a toe with a piano, but I wasn't tuning it or working on 
> it. I was moving it to play it at a nursing home.  The piano ran over my 
> shoe and left a permanent reminder where my big toe would have been if I 
> hadn't curled it up in time.  Once in a while I d stick my hand in the 
> shoe and poke the dent out, but it would go back in again.  Lessons 
> learned, never buy cheap dress shoes from one of those payless type shoe 
> stores and always move a piano away from you not toward you.  Oh and 
> lesson three, find someone else to move it. ;)
> Marshall
> ps. when are the auditions for that ballet?
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Fenton Murray
>  To: Pianotech List
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:53 AM
>  Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>  I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when it 
> came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again I'll show 
> it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming a ballet 
> dancer.
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>    From: piannaman at aol.com
>    To: pianotech at ptg.org
>    Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>    Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>     I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and Hamlin 
> 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned every 6 months 
> like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the tuning hammer 
> slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in the 
> fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
> refinisher go out and make it right.
>
>    Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning along, 
> thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop goes the 
> weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the becket!  So much 
> for being ahead of schedule...
>
>    Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I tied a 
> knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older piano.   But 
> since the piano is less than a year old, the string really needs to be 
> replaced.
>
>    So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that don't 
> seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>
>    Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>
>    Dave Stahl
>
>
>    Dave Stahl Piano Service
>    650-224-3560
>    dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>    http://dstahlpiano.net/
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:04:39 -0600
> From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr at srvinet.com>
> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
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> Hi John,
> Tilter mishaps are caused by too much clearance between the bottom board 
> and the foot of the tilter. A precaution that I have taken is to weld a 
> spur or toe on the foot to dig into the bottom of the piano. But bewear of 
> the upright with oversize casters, there will be too much hight for the 
> toe to grab hold on both the raising and lowering of the piano.
> Look ma no strap!
> Joe Goss RPT
> Mother Goose Tools
> imatunr at srvinet.com
> www.mothergoosetools.com
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: John Ross
>  To: Pianotech List
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:16 AM
>  Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>  1 Broken nose, and two black eyes, from a tilter mishap. Strap it in 
> place now.
>  2 Toe broken in three places, when I wasn't careful about moving a piano, 
> with one hand, on a carpet, and the wheel didn't swivel, so it tipped.
>  Caused me to be limping at the Dearborn convention. :-(
>  Takes something like this to happen, say every 10 years, so we don't get 
> too complacent.
>  John M. Ross
>  Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada.
>  jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>    From: Fenton Murray
>    To: Pianotech List
>    Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:53 AM
>    Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>    I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when it 
> came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again I'll show 
> it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming a ballet 
> dancer.
>      ----- Original Message ----- 
>      From: piannaman at aol.com
>      To: pianotech at ptg.org
>      Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>      Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
>       I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and Hamlin 
> 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned every 6 months 
> like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the tuning hammer 
> slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in the 
> fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
> refinisher go out and make it right.
>
>      Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning along, 
> thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop goes the 
> weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the becket!  So much 
> for being ahead of schedule...
>
>      Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I tied 
> a knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older piano.   But 
> since the piano is less than a year old, the string really needs to be 
> replaced.
>
>      So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that don't 
> seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>
>      Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>
>      Dave Stahl
>
>
>      Dave Stahl Piano Service
>      650-224-3560
>      dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>      http://dstahlpiano.net/
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:07:12 +0000
> From: pianotune05 at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
> Message-ID:
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> My only mishap in my tuning career so far was a brused up knee when I 
> tripped over and knoced over a bench recently.  The area was dark and I 
> was all nervous being a new tuner etc.  It was a Young Chang piano bench, 
> well the piano was anyway. :)
> Marshall
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
>
> 1 Broken nose, and two black eyes, from a tilter mishap. Strap it in place 
> now.
> 2 Toe broken in three places, when I wasn't careful about moving a piano, 
> with one hand, on a carpet, and the wheel didn't swivel, so it tipped.
> Caused me to be limping at the Dearborn convention. :-(
> Takes something like this to happen, say every 10 years, so we don't get 
> too complacent.
> John M. Ross
> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada.
> jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Fenton Murray
> To: Pianotech List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
> I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when it 
> came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again I'll show 
> it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming a ballet 
> dancer.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: piannaman at aol.com
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
> Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>
>
> I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and Hamlin 50 
> inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned every 6 months 
> like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the tuning hammer 
> slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in the 
> fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
> refinisher go out and make it right.
>
> Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's getting 
> more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning along, thinking 
> how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop goes the weasel.  String 
> #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the becket!  So much for being ahead 
> of schedule...
>
> Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I tied a 
> knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older piano.   But 
> since the piano is less than a year old, the string really needs to be 
> replaced.
>
> So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that don't 
> seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>
> Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>
> Dave Stahl
>
>
> Dave Stahl Piano Service
> 650-224-3560
> dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
> http://dstahlpiano.net/
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:12:26 EDT
> From: JBairdRPT at cs.com
> Subject: Loss and Piano Tuning ( was: hearing etc.)
> To: pianotech at ptg.org
> Message-ID: <307.44d25d0.3192196a at cs.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>>Why don't you add a piece of elastic to your thumper so you don't
>>have to use any muscles to hold it.
>>It works for me.
>
> My occasional wrist tendonitis is greatly relieved by a home made striking
> device (see photos below).
>
> Wearing a wrist brace by itself (available at medical supply
> stores) does not relieve much of the impact stress on the wrist tendons. 
> But
> gluing a felt striker onto the brace directly under the wrist, relieves 
> all of
> the pressure, and feels very good. It even feels like a massage. The brace
> has a metal bar that distributes the impact over several inches along the
> underside of your wrist.
>
> Since this prosthesis places your hand farther forward, it is best to 
> remove
> the fallboard.
>
> Photos attached.
> 1) felt striker
> 2) wrist brace striker - casual
> 3) wrist brace striker - formal
>
>
> [Photos at:]
>
> http://tinyurl.com/euyr
>
> http://tinyurl.com/euys
>
> http://tinyurl.com/euyw
>
> John Baird
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