Pianotech Digest, Vol 1275, Issue 56

John Ross jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
Tue May 9 17:38:50 MDT 2006


Pink tutu, and you still weren't allowed to dance?
Tough luck, Kenny.
John M. Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada.
jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Finlayson" <kennyfin at jetstream.net>
To: <pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1275, Issue 56


> The doctor told me the same thing;
> - You'll never  become a Ballet Dancer!
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> Subject: Pianotech Digest, Vol 1275, Issue 56
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>>   1. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (Fenton Murray)
>>   2. stripping question (Lhadeh at wmconnect.com)
>>   3. Re: finish stripper (pianolac at bestweb.net)
>>   4. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (John Ross)
>>   5. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (pianotune05)
>>   6. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (Joe And Penny Goss)
>>   7. Re: Piano gets its revenge... (pianotune05 at comcast.net)
>>   8. Loss and Piano Tuning ( was: hearing etc.) (JBairdRPT at cs.com)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:53:24 -0700
>> From: "Fenton Murray" <fmurray at cruzio.com>
>> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Message-ID: <007201c67378$5793c690$6401a8c0 at win2ko9ndzsl7d>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when 
>> it came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again 
>> I'll show it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming 
>> a ballet dancer.
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: piannaman at aol.com
>>  To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>  Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>>  Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>   I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and 
>> Hamlin 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned 
>> every 6 months like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the 
>> tuning hammer slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in 
>> the fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
>> refinisher go out and make it right.
>>
>>  Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
>> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning 
>> along, thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop 
>> goes the weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the 
>> becket!  So much for being ahead of schedule...
>>
>>  Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I 
>> tied a knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older 
>> piano.   But since the piano is less than a year old, the string 
>> really needs to be replaced.
>>
>>  So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
>> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that 
>> don't seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>>
>>  Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>>
>>  Dave Stahl
>>
>>
>>  Dave Stahl Piano Service
>>  650-224-3560
>>  dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>>  http://dstahlpiano.net/
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:00:11 EDT
>> From: Lhadeh at wmconnect.com
>> Subject: stripping question
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Message-ID: <41c.73a372.3192087b at wmconnect.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> My favorite method is using a heat gun and a stiff 1-1/2 inch putty 
>> knife. I
>> grind the business end of the putty knife in a slight arc and round 
>> the
>> corners a bit to keep it from 'digging in'.  Then I file or grind the 
>> edge at 90
>> degrees to the flat of the knife and polish off all burrs.  The heat 
>> gun is a
>> yellow Harbor Freight special set on Low heat.
>>
>> When removing finish, keep the heat gun moving (to avoid burning the 
>> finish
>> being removed and the wood underneath).  I concentrate heat on the 
>> blade of the
>> knife as much as possible and let the knife bulldoze the finish off.
>>
>> The best time to strip is outside under a shed on a windy day with 
>> your back
>> to the wind.  If that can't be arranged, I use three 20-inch fans. 
>> One nearby
>> pulling smoke away and two in windows to exhaust the smoke with the 
>> garage
>> door open.
>>
>> I would suggest practice on a junk piano or piece of furniture first. 
>> If you
>> do it right you get very little smoke.  If you watch the finish ahead 
>> of the
>> knife closely you will see it begin to crinkle slightly.  That is 
>> what you
>> want.  If you heat it more, it will begin to bubble (boil).  That is 
>> OK also, but
>> you don't want to heat much more or it may flash and smoke.  If that 
>> happens,
>> quickly scrape off the smoking puddle to the ground and quench it 
>> with your
>> foot.  You don't want to leave it burning on the surface or it may 
>> darken the
>> wood.
>>
>> With a little practice you get it just right and can fairly quickly 
>> strip
>> about 95 percent of the finish off.  But if you work too long, you 
>> get tired,
>> lose you concentration and create a lot of smoke.
>>
>> That's the method I use, but it is still a pain.  Just seems to be 
>> less pain
>> than other methods I've used, so far.
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:24:32 EST
>> From: pianolac at bestweb.net
>> Subject: Re: finish stripper
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Message-ID: <4460b430.6822.0 at bestweb.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>>Are you still selling finish stripper ?
>>>
>>>Richard Brekne
>>>Bergen, Norway
>>>
>> Yes, we sell Dyna 2, the biodegradeable, one step finish remover. 
>> Apply a
>> 1/4" thick layer, wait a few hours or overnight, and the finish is 
>> removed
>> down to the bare wood.  No methylene chloride, no bad smell, no 
>> HAZMAT
>> shipping charges.  Works in one application.  Washes off with soap 
>> and
>> water or alcohol.
>>
>> Arthur Grudko
>> www.pianolac.com
>> 845 855 0996
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:16:50 -0300
>> From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
>> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Message-ID: <002b01c6737b$999ad2b0$6400a8c0 at Ross>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> 1 Broken nose, and two black eyes, from a tilter mishap. Strap it in 
>> place now.
>> 2 Toe broken in three places, when I wasn't careful about moving a 
>> piano, with one hand, on a carpet, and the wheel didn't swivel, so it 
>> tipped.
>> Caused me to be limping at the Dearborn convention. :-(
>> Takes something like this to happen, say every 10 years, so we don't 
>> get too complacent.
>> John M. Ross
>> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada.
>> jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Fenton Murray
>>  To: Pianotech List
>>  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:53 AM
>>  Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>  I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when 
>> it came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again 
>> I'll show it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming 
>> a ballet dancer.
>>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>>    From: piannaman at aol.com
>>    To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>    Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>>    Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>     I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and 
>> Hamlin 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned 
>> every 6 months like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the 
>> tuning hammer slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in 
>> the fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
>> refinisher go out and make it right.
>>
>>    Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
>> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning 
>> along, thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop 
>> goes the weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the 
>> becket!  So much for being ahead of schedule...
>>
>>    Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I 
>> tied a knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older 
>> piano.   But since the piano is less than a year old, the string 
>> really needs to be replaced.
>>
>>    So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
>> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that 
>> don't seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>>
>>    Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>>
>>    Dave Stahl
>>
>>
>>    Dave Stahl Piano Service
>>    650-224-3560
>>    dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>>    http://dstahlpiano.net/
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:37:02 -0500
>> From: "pianotune05" <pianotune05 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Message-ID: <012801c6737e$6b8500f0$1174b143 at eva12marshal0g>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I almost ruined a toe with a piano, but I wasn't tuning it or working 
>> on it. I was moving it to play it at a nursing home.  The piano ran 
>> over my shoe and left a permanent reminder where my big toe would 
>> have been if I hadn't curled it up in time.  Once in a while I d 
>> stick my hand in the shoe and poke the dent out, but it would go back 
>> in again.  Lessons learned, never buy cheap dress shoes from one of 
>> those payless type shoe stores and always move a piano away from you 
>> not toward you.  Oh and lesson three, find someone else to move it. 
>> ;)
>> Marshall
>> ps. when are the auditions for that ballet?
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Fenton Murray
>>  To: Pianotech List
>>  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:53 AM
>>  Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>  I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when 
>> it came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again 
>> I'll show it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming 
>> a ballet dancer.
>>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>>    From: piannaman at aol.com
>>    To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>    Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>>    Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>     I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and 
>> Hamlin 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned 
>> every 6 months like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the 
>> tuning hammer slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in 
>> the fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
>> refinisher go out and make it right.
>>
>>    Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
>> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning 
>> along, thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop 
>> goes the weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the 
>> becket!  So much for being ahead of schedule...
>>
>>    Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I 
>> tied a knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older 
>> piano.   But since the piano is less than a year old, the string 
>> really needs to be replaced.
>>
>>    So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
>> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that 
>> don't seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>>
>>    Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>>
>>    Dave Stahl
>>
>>
>>    Dave Stahl Piano Service
>>    650-224-3560
>>    dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>>    http://dstahlpiano.net/
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:04:39 -0600
>> From: "Joe And Penny Goss" <imatunr at srvinet.com>
>> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Message-ID: <011e01c67382$484a2800$6637bbd0 at setup00>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi John,
>> Tilter mishaps are caused by too much clearance between the bottom 
>> board and the foot of the tilter. A precaution that I have taken is 
>> to weld a spur or toe on the foot to dig into the bottom of the 
>> piano. But bewear of the upright with oversize casters, there will be 
>> too much hight for the toe to grab hold on both the raising and 
>> lowering of the piano.
>> Look ma no strap!
>> Joe Goss RPT
>> Mother Goose Tools
>> imatunr at srvinet.com
>> www.mothergoosetools.com
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: John Ross
>>  To: Pianotech List
>>  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 9:16 AM
>>  Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>  1 Broken nose, and two black eyes, from a tilter mishap. Strap it in 
>> place now.
>>  2 Toe broken in three places, when I wasn't careful about moving a 
>> piano, with one hand, on a carpet, and the wheel didn't swivel, so it 
>> tipped.
>>  Caused me to be limping at the Dearborn convention. :-(
>>  Takes something like this to happen, say every 10 years, so we don't 
>> get too complacent.
>>  John M. Ross
>>  Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada.
>>  jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
>>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>>    From: Fenton Murray
>>    To: Pianotech List
>>    Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:53 AM
>>    Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>    I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me 
>> when it came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano 
>> again I'll show it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me 
>> becoming a ballet dancer.
>>      ----- Original Message ----- 
>>      From: piannaman at aol.com
>>      To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>      Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>>      Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>>       I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and 
>> Hamlin 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned 
>> every 6 months like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the 
>> tuning hammer slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in 
>> the fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
>> refinisher go out and make it right.
>>
>>      Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
>> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning 
>> along, thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop 
>> goes the weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the 
>> becket!  So much for being ahead of schedule...
>>
>>      Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I 
>> tied a knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older 
>> piano.   But since the piano is less than a year old, the string 
>> really needs to be replaced.
>>
>>      So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in 
>> them? Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos 
>> that don't seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>>
>>      Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>>
>>      Dave Stahl
>>
>>
>>      Dave Stahl Piano Service
>>      650-224-3560
>>      dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>>      http://dstahlpiano.net/
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:07:12 +0000
>> From: pianotune05 at comcast.net
>> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>> To: Pianotech List <pianotech at ptg.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <050920061607.14706.4460BE2F000F2FCB000039722200745672CACF0A029A9B01020E079F at comcast.net>
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>> My only mishap in my tuning career so far was a brused up knee when I 
>> tripped over and knoced over a bench recently.  The area was dark and 
>> I was all nervous being a new tuner etc.  It was a Young Chang piano 
>> bench, well the piano was anyway. :)
>> Marshall
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> From: John Ross <jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca>
>>
>> 1 Broken nose, and two black eyes, from a tilter mishap. Strap it in 
>> place now.
>> 2 Toe broken in three places, when I wasn't careful about moving a 
>> piano, with one hand, on a carpet, and the wheel didn't swivel, so it 
>> tipped.
>> Caused me to be limping at the Dearborn convention. :-(
>> Takes something like this to happen, say every 10 years, so we don't 
>> get too complacent.
>> John M. Ross
>> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada.
>> jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: Fenton Murray
>> To: Pianotech List
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>> I still limp once in a while from 3 broken toes a piano gave me when 
>> it came off a tilter 25 years ago. If I ever see that piano again 
>> I'll show it the meaning of revenge. Ruined all chance of me becoming 
>> a ballet dancer.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: piannaman at aol.com
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Piano gets its revenge...
>>
>>
>> I've got this great customer who bought a brand now Mason and Hamlin 
>> 50 inch upright at my suggestion.  She gets her piano tuned every 6 
>> months like clockwork.  When I tuned it back in November, the tuning 
>> hammer slipped out of my hand and the head put a big ding in the 
>> fallboard.....:-{.  Bummer.  I ponied up the cash to have a real 
>> refinisher go out and make it right.
>>
>> Friday, I went back to tune the piano again.   Fortunately, it's 
>> getting more stable, and it didn't need a pitch raise.  I'm tuning 
>> along, thinking how great it is to be ahead of schedule, when pop 
>> goes the weasel.  String #34, A2 lower unison, broke right at the 
>> becket!  So much for being ahead of schedule...
>>
>> Mason and Hamlin is sending me a new string.  In the meantime, I tied 
>> a knot, which would be a perfectly good repair in an older piano. 
>> But since the piano is less than a year old, the string really needs 
>> to be replaced.
>>
>> So I was thinking as I left...do pianos have poltergeists in them? 
>> Sometimes I think they must.  I swear, there are some pianos that 
>> don't seem to like me--and I reciprocate the feeling.
>>
>> Any other piano-gets-revenge stories?
>>
>> Dave Stahl
>>
>>
>> Dave Stahl Piano Service
>> 650-224-3560
>> dstahlpiano at sbcglobal.net
>> http://dstahlpiano.net/
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:12:26 EDT
>> From: JBairdRPT at cs.com
>> Subject: Loss and Piano Tuning ( was: hearing etc.)
>> To: pianotech at ptg.org
>> Message-ID: <307.44d25d0.3192196a at cs.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>>Why don't you add a piece of elastic to your thumper so you don't
>>>have to use any muscles to hold it.
>>>It works for me.
>>
>> My occasional wrist tendonitis is greatly relieved by a home made 
>> striking
>> device (see photos below).
>>
>> Wearing a wrist brace by itself (available at medical supply
>> stores) does not relieve much of the impact stress on the wrist 
>> tendons. But
>> gluing a felt striker onto the brace directly under the wrist, 
>> relieves all of
>> the pressure, and feels very good. It even feels like a massage. The 
>> brace
>> has a metal bar that distributes the impact over several inches along 
>> the
>> underside of your wrist.
>>
>> Since this prosthesis places your hand farther forward, it is best to 
>> remove
>> the fallboard.
>>
>> Photos attached.
>> 1) felt striker
>> 2) wrist brace striker - casual
>> 3) wrist brace striker - formal
>>
>>
>> [Photos at:]
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/euyr
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/euys
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/euyw
>>
>> John Baird
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