37 steps---delayed response

[Israel Stein]

At 06:13 PM 2/8/2008, William Monroe wrote:
>Israel,
>
>I just have to chime in here.  Comments interspersed.
>
>
> >
> > Actually, David, wrong on all counts. No handouts, no sheets, no
> > lists in my classes. They learn by doing - you get an action model
> > and you learn how to regulate by regulating. I give them a short
> > verbal introduction  What typically happens is that I explain to them
> > the various stages - and most everyone (except for the rawest
> > beginners - the class is not aimed at them)  can right away tell me
> > themselves what functions are dealt with in each stage. It's just
> > logic - don't need a list.
>
>If it is "just logic," I fail to see how an outline or "list" can be 
>an impediment for all but those same "rawest beginners."

Often it is. One of the more effective learning processes is 
"discovery". Following a list often channels one's mind into just 
doing things by rote without thinking it through. I've had people 
thank me for  making them work without a list - because the other way 
they just weren't getting it,  they were just following things step 
by step and not getting much out of it. But "discovering" something 
on their own (perhaps with some prompting) somehow "turns on the 
light". Like some people posted here before - there are different 
ways to learn. What works for one, doesn't work for the other.

I am not going to bother to go through the rest of your message point 
by point - because much of what you say is true - sometimes. And 
sometimes it doesn't quite work out that way. And there is no point 
arguing about it - because all we are talking about is just 
alternative perspectives which may or may not be useful for different people.

I was asked about what I felt was a better conceptual system - and so 
I shared it. It happens to work quite well with people who have not 
done well with the type of conceptualization embodied in the Yamaha 
37 steps (with which I am quite familiar - and yes I have been to 
LaRoy's classes).  I have never denied its value - I just feel that 
some people do not get all that is being taught for reasons that I 
have stated and I have devised a way to make explicit what is 
implicit in the Yamaha system. And - guess what - some people have 
used it to become skilled and competent technicians. So whoever said 
that "whoever can't figure out what the Yamaha way really means 
probably is never going to be a skilled technician" (or something to 
that effect - I am not going to dig through all these digests again 
to find it) is all wet. Sometimes a change of perspective can do 
wonders to someone's understanding.

So all you Yamaha-37 fans - if it works, use it. And if it doesn't 
work for someone - there are other ways.

Israel Stein








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